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Texas Topics / IR in High School Football?
« Last post by TxSkyBolt on January 10, 2018, 09:20:35 AM »
I agree.  And it would be very difficult to use replay in any games other than the championship game simply because most facilities are not set up for IR.  You have to have a group of cameras and cameramen, a production truck and feed to an isolated booth in HD.  If you don't use HD, you're wasting your time.  The once in a lifetime element of utilizing IR for the officials really does present a problem.  But, the misapplication of a rule can be very easily solved.  I think most crews in the championship games utilized O2O radios.  There can certainly be an expert in the press box with that same radio that can talk directly to the crew should there be a misapplication. I've seen that done from the IR booth in games where I've worked.  They have also corrected spots on the fly instead of buzzing for a replay.  Would the booth be able to "throw a flag" as it does in NCAA games for illegal participation and targeting? Or, would it just be used for spots and possession and thumbs up on scores?  The booth cannot call off a flag or a whistle, other than targeting so a bad flag would not get corrected, or one that should be thrown, thrown from the booth.  I'm not sure it does what coaches and the UIL think it does for the game.
Agree with the solution on misapplication of rules. There were at least 3 egregious examples in this years championship games. An expert in the booth with O2O could have corrected them. (So could crews knowing correct enforcement for all fouls,but that’s another nut to crack.)


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National Federation Discussion / Re: NFHS Questionnaire
« Last post by TampaSteve on January 10, 2018, 08:39:07 AM »
I know absolutely nothing about wrestling, but the run rule in baseball is subject to state association adoption: By state association adoption, the game shall end when the visiting team is behind 10 or more runs after 4 innings, or after the fifth inning, if either team is 10 runs behind and both teams have had an equal number of times at bat.
really? i swear it was NFHS for mery rule baseball.
I stand corrected and redact that.....drat, sorry fellas.
heck, i dont know of a state that doesnt have a mery rule for baseball.
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Texas Topics / Re: IR in High School Football?
« Last post by TexDoc on January 10, 2018, 08:17:03 AM »
You might want to consider the IFAF video judge system, which IMO suits better in occasional IR availability. http://www.myiafoa.org/rules/2018/ifaf2018/12.html

The list of reviewable fouls is quite significantly different from NCAA and I don't think could apply to our high school game. 
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Texas Topics / Re: IR in High School Football?
« Last post by Kalle on January 10, 2018, 07:19:29 AM »
You might want to consider the IFAF video judge system, which IMO suits better in occasional IR availability. http://www.myiafoa.org/rules/2018/ifaf2018/12.html
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Texas Topics / Re: IR in High School Football?
« Last post by TexDoc on January 10, 2018, 07:06:14 AM »
My greatest concern when the discussions turned serious about IR in HS has been inserting an element into the game that the players, coaches, and on field officials are not used to.   I am fairly confident they would use current college IR crews  in the booth. I don't see any way around that. But what about on the field?   The game with IR is officiated differently than the game without.  So what will they do?  Bring in college officials who currently operate in IR environment?   

And I think we have all seen times when even IR "gets it wrong", so not sure this is the solution to whatever "problem" is perceived.

If it is going to be used, it would have to be modified from the NCAA model. (And might want to even consider adding rule misapplication as something that it could fix)

I agree.  And it would be very difficult to use replay in any games other than the championship game simply because most facilities are not set up for IR.  You have to have a group of cameras and cameramen, a production truck and feed to an isolated booth in HD.  If you don't use HD, you're wasting your time.  The once in a lifetime element of utilizing IR for the officials really does present a problem.  But, the misapplication of a rule can be very easily solved.  I think most crews in the championship games utilized O2O radios.  There can certainly be an expert in the press box with that same radio that can talk directly to the crew should there be a misapplication. I've seen that done from the IR booth in games where I've worked.  They have also corrected spots on the fly instead of buzzing for a replay.  Would the booth be able to "throw a flag" as it does in NCAA games for illegal participation and targeting? Or, would it just be used for spots and possession and thumbs up on scores?  The booth cannot call off a flag or a whistle, other than targeting so a bad flag would not get corrected, or one that should be thrown, thrown from the booth.  I'm not sure it does what coaches and the UIL think it does for the game. 
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Texas Topics / Re: IR in High School Football?
« Last post by Welpe on January 09, 2018, 04:15:04 PM »
If it is going to be used, it would have to be modified from the NCAA model. (And might want to even consider adding rule misapplication as something that it could fix)

I agree. It would make the most sense starting out to limit what can be reviewed to a narrower scope.
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Texas Topics / Re: IR in High School Football?
« Last post by TXMike on January 09, 2018, 03:57:15 PM »
My greatest concern when the discussions turned serious about IR in HS has been inserting an element into the game that the players, coaches, and on field officials are not used to.   I am fairly confident they would use current college IR crews  in the booth. I don't see any way around that. But what about on the field?   The game with IR is officiated differently than the game without.  So what will they do?  Bring in college officials who currently operate in IR environment?   

And I think we have all seen times when even IR "gets it wrong", so not sure this is the solution to whatever "problem" is perceived.

If it is going to be used, it would have to be modified from the NCAA model. (And might want to even consider adding rule misapplication as something that it could fix)

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National Federation Discussion / Re: NFHS Questionnaire
« Last post by CalhounLJ on January 09, 2018, 03:39:18 PM »
I know absolutely nothing about wrestling, but the run rule in baseball is subject to state association adoption: By state association adoption, the game shall end when the visiting team is behind 10 or more runs after 4 innings, or after the fifth inning, if either team is 10 runs behind and both teams have had an equal number of times at bat.
Not that it matters that much. I wish our state would adopt a points differential running clock procedure.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: NFHS Questionnaire
« Last post by CalhounLJ on January 09, 2018, 03:37:50 PM »
on the topic of mercy rule, for what it's worth in wrestling if you reach 15 point differential the match is terminated.  Baseball games are terminated too.
certainly apples & oranges but both are not state rules but national rules and perhaps a national mercy rule for football..

I know absolutely nothing about wrestling, but the run rule in baseball is subject to state association adoption: By state association adoption, the game shall end when the visiting team is behind 10 or more runs after 4 innings, or after the fifth inning, if either team is 10 runs behind and both teams have had an equal number of times at bat.
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Texas Topics / IR in High School Football?
« Last post by TexDoc on January 09, 2018, 02:43:37 PM »
I'm curious about thoughts on this.  I've been working in a IR booth for a D1 school for the past 6 or 7 years, so I'm very familiar with the process and the equipment, but I'll hold my opinion for now.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/highschool/article/Title-games-possible-start-for-instant-replay-in-12458563.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social
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