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Offline VALJ

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #125 on: March 10, 2015, 10:59:55 AM »
Welcome back, Ralph.

Re question two - there will be a minor challenge with that from teams that huddle up behind the ball, and go quickly straight from the huddle after the RFP.  Good preventive officiating should handle that, though - just like we told the K that they had to keep four on either side last year, we'll still talk them through it this year. 

Re question three - I'll admit to being a bit worried.  One - for most of our games we work 7 man crews, and (with our current mechanics, at least) that flag and whistle will be coming from the R downfield behind the receiving team.  We up by the kicker probably won't hear that whistle.  Two - that foul means that not only have we had one onside kick with the subsequent piling of bodies, but now we're going to have a second one.

Of course, we already have that second set of crashes when he have an ENC just prior to the ball being kicked...

Offline Ralph Damren

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #126 on: March 10, 2015, 12:42:43 PM »
I'm glad to hear I not the only one to worry yEs:

Hint on Godfather trivia : think of sounds coming from the deserted (by tolltakers) toll booth just before the 21 gun salute ;)....

Offline riffraft

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #127 on: March 10, 2015, 02:40:34 PM »
I can remember the date, but wasn't the "shot heard around the world" Bobby Thompson home run playing

Offline Patrick E.

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #128 on: March 10, 2015, 08:34:56 PM »
October 3, 1951

Sonny was 31, two months shy of his 32nd birthday.

The end of the old main runway where this scene was filmed at the old site of Mitchell Field on Long Island can be seen at these coordinates in Google  Maps 40.730243, -73.587143

Offline Ralph Damren

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #129 on: March 11, 2015, 07:27:04 AM »
Great job, Patrick & Riffraft aWaRd aWaRd! Bobby Thompson was just coming to bat when Sonny discovered the regular toll-taker was not on duty. The box score shows that the 1 o'clock game lasted 2:39  = 3:39 PM @ time of homer = assumed 3:38 PM when Sonny paid his "toll" - remember Bobby still had to hit the homer and ward off Leo the Lip (coaching 3rd) from getting a "piggyback" ride from 3rd to home. tiphat:

Offline skip1

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #130 on: June 02, 2015, 12:16:12 PM »
We have an official run into a B coach during a scoring play and then have an unsportsmanlike foul on A after the touchdown. Are these fouls going to offset? Usually non player fouls are not personal fouls.

Offline Ralph Damren

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #131 on: June 02, 2015, 01:17:49 PM »
Good question, Skip1, and as author of the rule change I'll attempt to address it.
  (1) Rule 9-4-8 is a live-ball foul treated as a dead-ball foul with succeeding spot enforcement with the rationale that it didn't have any impact on the outcome of the play.
  (2) IF A's USC foul occurred PRIOR to B's penalty being administrated, they would cancel (I didn't want the word "offset" used ,as I felt it could be confused with offsetting live ball fouls where 3 on one team and one on the opponents would offset) .
  (3) HOWEVER, IF A waited until the penalty option had been chosen by his team and administered ; it would be enforced separately.

EXAMPLES : In #2 they would cancel and you would move on to the PAT @ B's3.
                  In #3, if A chose B's foul on the kickoff followed by A's USC, B could tack it onto the PAT -
                  back to B's 18, or KO, back to original 40. A would not be allowed to change their choice.

I needed to amend my proposal, as I had originally set the benchmark for the separate enforcement as the RFP, but the issue arose : "What's going to happen if you've already enforced the original penalty when something new occurs prior to the RFP?"  Yes, #3 can get complicated, but no where near the complexity of the prior rule and would guess 90+% of the occurrences would be of the #2 style.

Hope this helps.

Offline Boodle

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #132 on: June 22, 2015, 06:39:48 PM »
Got the new Rule Book and I am confused with the added wording in the Penalty section for Rule 6-2 on page 54.
"...Art. 9 - free kick out of bounds - (S19) - 5 yards and re-kick, or put it in play at the inbounds spot 25 yards beyond the previou spot if previous spot on midfield side of R25."
What is that new phrase supposed to mean? 
Why has it been added?

Offline Atlanta Blue

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #133 on: June 22, 2015, 06:51:39 PM »
If the previous spot was inside the R25, there is no "25 yards from the previous spot".  You can't give a team the ball on or inside the goal line.

It's a totally unnecessary clarification that was already covered by other rules.  It changes nothing.

Offline VALJ

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #134 on: June 25, 2015, 09:02:00 AM »
Brain cramp regarding the "dead ball penalties cancelling" bit - Sparky on A and Bubba on B both commit DB USC fouls in the first quarter so that their distances offset.  In the 4th quarter, we overhear Sparky telling Bubba that he believes that Bubba has consensual adult relationships with his own mother, and flag Sparky for said implication.  Sparky is still disqualified for earning his second USC foul, correct?

Offline Ralph Damren

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #135 on: June 25, 2015, 09:25:07 AM »
Brain cramp regarding the "dead ball penalties cancelling" bit - Sparky on A and Bubba on B both commit DB USC fouls in the first quarter so that their distances offset.  In the 4th quarter, we overhear Sparky telling Bubba that he believes that Bubba has consensual adult relationships with his own mother, and flag Sparky for said implication.  Sparky is still disqualified for earning his second USC foul, correct?
Yes, Sparky was on "double secret probation" (as the Delta House sanction imposed by Dean Wormer in Animal House) after being naughty in the first quarter. Dueling live ball fouls that offset (Sparky & Bubba engaging in Kung Fu fighting during a live ball) would still result in disqualification .. same here.

PS : Brain cramps can often be cured by adding a jigger of American Honey (Wild Turkey Bourbon + honey) to one's lobster chowder. South of Mason-Dixon, just add it to your grits.

Offline bama_stripes

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #136 on: June 25, 2015, 01:59:58 PM »
PS : Brain cramps can often be cured by adding a jigger of American Honey (Wild Turkey Bourbon + honey) to one's lobster chowder. South of Mason-Dixon, just add it to your grits.

You better quit while you're ahead, Ralph.  No self-respecting Southerner would add anything to his grits other than salt, pepper & butter, and maybe (for fancy occasions) a few bacon bits.

Also, the only thing to be added to Wild Turkey is a (small) cube of ice and an index finger.

Offline Atlanta Blue

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #137 on: June 25, 2015, 02:03:58 PM »
You better quit while you're ahead, Ralph.  No self-respecting Southerner would add anything to his grits other than salt, pepper & butter, and maybe (for fancy occasions) a few bacon bits.

Also, the only thing to be added to Wild Turkey is a (small) cube of ice and an index finger.
In addition to the above, I've been known to add cheese to my grits now and then.

And I agree, the only thing you mix with bourbon is ice. 

Offline VALJ

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #138 on: June 26, 2015, 07:08:00 AM »
Ralph, remember I'm a transplant - no grits for me, thank you. 

Offline bama_stripes

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #139 on: June 26, 2015, 07:23:53 AM »
In addition to the above, I've been known to add cheese to my grits now and then.

That's apparently a fairly recent innovation.  My mother would have smacked me severely around the head & neck area if I had asked her to put cheese in her grits.

Offline Atlanta Blue

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #140 on: June 26, 2015, 07:42:08 AM »
That's apparently a fairly recent innovation.  My mother would have smacked me severely around the head & neck area if I had asked her to put cheese in her grits.
Really?  It's my very Southern wife that taught it to me, she's done it her whole life. 

Offline HLinNC

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #141 on: June 26, 2015, 10:55:32 AM »
LOVE cheese in my grits, along with salt, butter, and a touch of black pepper.

Offline riffraft

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #142 on: June 26, 2015, 02:11:03 PM »
That's apparently a fairly recent innovation.  My mother would have smacked me severely around the head & neck area if I had asked her to put cheese in her grits.

My mother learned earlier that I wanted cheese on just about everything and gave up the fight. Grits with cheese and butter.

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #143 on: June 27, 2015, 09:18:34 AM »
Really?  It's my very Southern wife that taught it to me, she's done it her whole life.

Yes, but I started eating grits more than 25 years ago.

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #144 on: June 27, 2015, 09:53:37 AM »
One of the most important rules in any book (in NFHS it's 1-1-1-1-1, "When you're with your mother, do WHATEVER she wants you to do, and smile".

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #145 on: June 28, 2015, 04:27:50 PM »
Cheese and grits can only be topped by Shrimp and grits.

Offline Ralph Damren

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #146 on: June 29, 2015, 07:32:19 AM »
Being a big John "Duke" Wayne fan, I'd have to classify your discussion as TRUE GRIT tiphat:

Blueberry pancakes with true Maine maple is my breakfast of choice.

Offline Atlanta Blue

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #147 on: June 29, 2015, 07:36:40 AM »
Blueberry pancakes with true Maine maple is my breakfast of choice.
I had blueberry waffles on Saturday, so we aren't far off there.

But I did have grits on Sunday.

Offline Ralph Damren

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Re: 2015 NFHS Rule Changes
« Reply #148 on: April 04, 2016, 08:05:49 AM »
My Monday morning research team discovered the last time the century mark was broken in posts to a topic (Jan 28,2015). The topic was misleading as our fearless leader, Rulesman, was stating not to post perceived rule changes until NFHS  published the OFFICIAL rule changes. 140+ had opinions on that.

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