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Offline TXMike

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Composites
« on: April 17, 2016, 07:23:30 AM »
Does NFHS permit use of the composite football?  If so, what advantages//disadvantages do they have?   Are there any officiating issues caused by 1 team using composite and one using traditional leather?


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Re: Composites
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2016, 11:31:40 AM »
1 - Yes
2 - Composites do not soak up water like a leather ball does.
3 - Yes! When relaying the ball in to the middle, the H and the L typically throw a rain soaked Leather Ball 4 feet short of the Umpire!  hEaDbAnG 
But, to make up for it, they throw the Dry Composite Ball 4 feet over the Umpires Head!!!
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Re: Composites
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2016, 08:28:55 AM »
Does NFHS permit use of the composite football?  If so, what advantages//disadvantages do they have?   Are there any officiating issues caused by 1 team using composite and one using traditional leather?

In Alabama, teams may use a composite ball, as long as the composite balls used in region games are made by Wilson! (And they carry the necessary NFHS authenticating mark)
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Re: Composites
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2016, 08:57:26 AM »
Composite balls with the NFHS mark are legal footballs.  In many ways, they are superior to leather footballs, including grip, particularly in wet weather.  In the future, it may be all you see.

In basketball, the only leather balls still used are in the NBA.  Everyone else, from college on down, now uses a composite ball.  Part of it is cost, part of it is performance.  When I worked for Spalding, we created a composite ball for the NBA, and it was used for about 2 months.  Players complained, but the biggest reason wasn't performance, it was image.  As Paul Pierce (who was under endorsement contract to us) said, "Don't take away the leather ball.  Playing with a leather ball tells us we made it.  You only get to use a leather ball if you make it to the Show.  Don't take that away."

The leather used in footballs is not as high quality of that used in basketballs, but eventually, the cost difference may drive leather footballs out of high school and NCAA play.

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Re: Composites
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2016, 12:43:46 PM »
The leather used in footballs is not as high quality of that used in basketballs, but eventually, the cost difference may drive leather footballs out of high school and NCAA play.

Yes, but "toe meets composite" just doesn't sound as good. :)

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Re: Composites
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2016, 07:55:26 AM »
Yes, but "toe meets composite" just doesn't sound as good. :)

Well, most kickers aren't using their toes anyway.   nAnA

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Re: Composites
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2016, 08:10:15 AM »
Well, most kickers aren't using their toes anyway.   nAnA
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Re: Composites
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2016, 08:24:07 AM »
"Toe meets pleather"

"Instep meets pleather"?

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Re: Composites
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2016, 01:21:35 PM »
I could reply that soccer-style kickers led to the ruination of our great game, but Lou Groza, Tom Dempsey, Mark Moseley and I will just suffer in silence.

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Re: Composites
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2016, 01:20:33 PM »
Don't forget QB/K #16 George Blanda! 
George's Toe never hit anything but leather! 
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Re: Composites
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2016, 05:09:03 PM »
After further review....
I updated and edited my original answer to TXMike in Post 2 near the top of this thread
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Re: Composites
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2016, 11:02:46 AM »
Several years ago a state experimented with eight-sided (paneled) footballs.

The report was that QBs with small hands liked them.
 
The report was that kickers, often kicking on a seam, did not.

If you owned stock in the company that made them you probably lost money.

I heard rumor of a QB once letting air out of some footballs.

An umpire sNiCkErS with a black towel doesn't seem to get as dirty as with a white towel when drying the muddy balls.

  ...that's about all I know about footballs....

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Re: Composites
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2016, 11:33:54 AM »
Got a text from Tom Brady.  He wants to know if composites hold air better than leather balls. nAnA nAnA nAnA

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Re: Composites
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2016, 08:49:28 PM »
Got a text from Tom Brady.  He wants to know if composites hold air better than leather balls. nAnA nAnA nAnA

How did you get a text? I thought he destroyed his phone!  ;)

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Re: Composites
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2016, 09:21:42 AM »
The report was that kickers, often kicking on a seam, did not.

I heard the same about a special teams coach near the capital of Georgia, too.   :D

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Re: Composites
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2016, 09:32:49 AM »
I heard the same about a special teams coach near the capital of Georgia, too.   :D
Never saw it, but I sure would have complained!  In fact, I went the other direction.  When I headed up research for Spalding, one of my staff was a former kicker at Georgia, as well as in NFL Europe and the Arena league.  He and I developed a THREE panel football, with the theory that kickers would always be kicking a panel, not a seam (assuming the ball is properly placed on the tee).  It was interesting, and we had a prototype made.  We had a few structural problems to work out, but the NCAA told us no, so we dropped it.

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Re: Composites
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2016, 03:50:31 PM »
How did you get a text? I thought he destroyed his phone!  ;)

I think Brady qualified for a free obama phone...
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Re: Composites
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2016, 10:55:16 AM »
Don't forget QB/K #16 George Blanda! 
George's Toe never hit anything but leather!
Near the end, George's passes never hit anything but grass tR:oLl:) :) :) :) :)

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Re: Composites
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2016, 12:34:33 PM »
Did you get permission from Big Popi to use his likeness?

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Re: Composites
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2016, 07:34:28 AM »
Did you get permission from Big Popi to use his likeness?

  I have a hard job picturing Big Popi as a redhead and hair in this style would probably have to wait until retirement as fitting one's batting helmet over that 'doo would be a challenge :).

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Re: Composites
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2016, 02:29:09 PM »
hair in this style would probably have to wait until retirement as fitting one's batting helmet over that 'doo would be a challenge :).

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