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Offline Apag

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Legal or illegal play?
« on: October 16, 2017, 09:18:06 AM »
 I was told it was illegal to handoff on a players back??? I have been running this play for years but was told with the new rules it's now illegal. I can't find it in the rule book. I couldn't attach the video. Set up in wing T. QB reverse pivots and instead of pitching ball to wing he places it on back of the FB. FB just steps forward with right hand behind his back palm up. Trap block on DT. Is there a rule against this handoff??

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Re: Legal or illegal play?
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2017, 09:43:35 AM »
I've having a hard time picturing what you're talking about. Is this like a reverse Statue of Liberty Play?

Fundamentally, as long as a hand off is backwards or parallel to the opponents goal line, it is legal (or forward in certain circumstances, but it doesn't sound like that comes into play here).

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Re: Legal or illegal play?
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2017, 09:52:04 AM »

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Re: Legal or illegal play?
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2017, 09:52:47 AM »
Welcome, Apag, to our forum. May you find it both enjoyable and useful. I see nothing wrong with this play (just as long as the FB hangs on to the football :)). The only handoff rule is regarding a forward handoff to a linesman that requires the linesman to have faced his own goal prior to - this is to prevent the ole' "center rush" that those of us that are long of tooth remember from their childhood. While the "fumblerouski" play is illegal, this is a far step from that.

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Re: Legal or illegal play?
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2017, 12:05:42 AM »
Welcome, Apag, to our forum. May you find it both enjoyable and useful. I see nothing wrong with this play (just as long as the FB hangs on to the football :)). The only handoff rule is regarding a forward handoff to a linesman that requires the linesman to have faced his own goal prior to - this is to prevent the ole' "center rush" that those of us that are long of tooth remember from their childhood. While the "fumblerouski" play is illegal, this is a far step from that.
Ralph, with you being long in the tooth, perhaps you know why the planned loose ball near the center was removed (around 2006)?

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Re: Legal or illegal play?
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2017, 09:07:43 AM »
Ralph, with you being long in the tooth, perhaps you know why the planned loose ball near the center was removed (around 2006)?
In 2001, we added then case 9.9.1 that hopefully put an end to many trick plays that involved pretending that the snap/kick wasn't imminent. The strong feeling that these plays weren't part of good football. In 2006, the "fumbleroski" fell to the same opinion. Last year ,one of our Points of Emphasis was : Unfair Acts (p.91- 2016 Rules). The general feeling is that these plays, while  being amusing to some, detract from the positive atmosphere of football. While creative shifts and formations can be tricky to the defense, the defense often has the skills to adjust. With hideout/ problem with the ball/no tee/where's Smitty? plays they do not. You'll never see a laundry list of illegal plays, as if we listed 100, some coach would think up#101. But these tricks (I prefer to call them that over plays) are like porn - you'll know it when you see it. 

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Re: Legal or illegal play?
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2017, 06:26:25 PM »
Looks like he handed the ball forward
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Re: Legal or illegal play?
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2017, 06:50:06 PM »
Looks like he handed the ball forward

To a back behind the LOS.