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footballref
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Three Flags on one play, different scenario question
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July 05, 2010, 09:59:57 AM »
My question come from this thread:
http://www.refstripes.com/forum/index.php?topic=6690.0
I didn't want to take that thread in a different direction and have people talking about 2 different outcomes in the same thread.
A ball, 2nd and 8 at the 50 yard line. A throws a pass that is intercepted by B22 at the B 30 yard line, returned to the B 45 yard line, fumbled, and recovered by A at the B 45.
Before the interception, B51 was flagged for throwing a punch. During the interception return, B29 was flagged for a block in the back at the B 35 yard line. After A gains final possession, A10 blocks B6 in the back at the 50 yard line.
Who has the ball and where?
Since A got the ball back with clean hands would you decline the 2 fouls by B and enforce the foul by A? You would have 1st & 10 for A from A's 40. The player that threw the punch would still be ejected.
Hope this makes sense, as it gets a bit confusing with multiple fouls, turnovers, and everything happening around midfield.
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Re: Three Flags on one play, different scenario question
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July 05, 2010, 10:56:42 AM »
NF: 10-2-1 defines a doulble foul, and lists the 3 examples of a double foul. Example "B" states, "There is a change of team possession, and the
team in possession at the end of the down
fouls
prior to final change of possession
....(relates to PSK, which doesn't apply here)"kicks.
In your example, Team B committed 2 fouls, a personal foul for fighting before the interception and a BIB during the subsequent runback. There follows a subsequent second change of possession AFTER which "A"gains possession
THEN
commits a BIB at the 50YL.
"A" did not foul before the "final change of possession", so they possessed the ball with clean hands and were in possession at the end of the down. However, "A" is guilty of a subsequent BIB for which they will be penalized. The sequence of choices, starts with "A".
If they choose to decline both of "B" penalties (slugging & BIB) "A" will keep possession of the ball 1-10, subject to the "B" option to, most likely, accept the BIB by "A" which would be enforced
from the 50 yl.
If, "A" chooses to accept either "B" penalty, it would be a double foul and "A" would replay the down from the original previous spot, at
the 50 yl.
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Re: Three Flags on one play, different scenario question
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July 07, 2010, 07:58:47 AM »
Quote from: footballref on July 05, 2010, 09:59:57 AM
My question come from this thread:
http://www.refstripes.com/forum/index.php?topic=6690.0
I didn't want to take that thread in a different direction and have people talking about 2 different outcomes in the same thread.
A ball, 2nd and 8 at the 50 yard line. A throws a pass that is intercepted by B22 at the B 30 yard line, returned to the B 45 yard line, fumbled, and recovered by A at the B 45.
Before the interception, B51 was flagged for throwing a punch. During the interception return, B29 was flagged for a block in the back at the B 35 yard line. After A gains final possession, A10 blocks B6 in the back at the 50 yard line.
Who has the ball and where?
Since A got the ball back with clean hands would you decline the 2 fouls by B and enforce the foul by A? You would have 1st & 10 for A from A's 40. The player that threw the punch would still be ejected.
Hope this makes sense, as it gets a bit confusing with multiple fouls, turnovers, and everything happening around midfield.
Here is a "timeline".
Snap, foul by B51, change of possession (interception by Team B), foul by B29, change of possession (fumble recovery by A), A foul.
So because A did not foul prior to the final change of possession, they can decline their opponent's foul(s) and have their's enforced, or accept them and make them double fouls and replay the down from the previous spot.
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July 07, 2010, 10:20:12 AM »
I think you would eject B51 even if A declines the foul
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RickKY
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July 09, 2010, 03:32:01 PM »
The yardage penalty for any foul can be declined, but the officials should eject B51 for fighting. Declining yardage penalty does not mean the foul did not occur. It simply means A thought it more advantageous to decline the foul and keep the ball with a new series.
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