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Fun head-scratcher
« on: October 28, 2010, 06:00:37 AM »
Here's a light-hearted thought for you Canadian-rules lads ...

What is the most penalty yardage one team can receive (marched off on the field), for one play, (snap to snap) without having repeat infractions?

ie one OC, one UR, one RP, etc.


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Re: Fun head-scratcher
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2010, 06:57:10 AM »
I would imagine that pre-snap fouls would be excluded.

So, Team A (or B) is guilty of a clip, OC, UR, and RP, and an Illegal Equipment infraction.

That's 15 + 10 + 15 + 25 + 5.  = 70 yards.

Is that what you have?

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Re: Fun head-scratcher
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2010, 11:00:59 AM »
I would imagine that pre-snap fouls would be excluded.

So, Team A (or B) is guilty of a clip, OC, UR, and RP, and an Illegal Equipment infraction.

That's 15 + 10 + 15 + 25 + 5.  = 70 yards.

Is that what you have?

I was able to generate 109, believe it not. I have no clue why this got into my head, but I had an hour and a half drive home from a game on the weekend, and my mind got to thinking ...

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Re: Fun head-scratcher
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2010, 05:34:19 PM »
Well, since you said no repeats, we can only have 1 of each type of additive foul.  Those are OC, UR, RP, and IE.  Does NM also count different than IE?

Only 1 minor foul can be enforced, the largest of which is a BFR or OPI.

Give me a hint...   :)

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Re: Fun head-scratcher
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2010, 06:32:11 PM »
Well, since you said no repeats, we can only have 1 of each type of additive foul.  Those are OC, UR, RP, and IE.  Does NM also count different than IE?

Only 1 minor foul can be enforced, the largest of which is a BFR or OPI.

Give me a hint...   :)

A hint. Hhmmn. OK. Let's try this - there's  one infraction that's a mandated half the distance to the goal-line and nothing else.

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Re: Fun head-scratcher
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2010, 06:34:48 PM »
Interference by an unauthorized person?  Is that what you're thinking?

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Re: Fun head-scratcher
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2010, 09:13:32 PM »
I was able to generate 109, believe it not. I have no clue why this got into my head, but I had an hour and a half drive home from a game on the weekend, and my mind got to thinking ...

If you're getting 109, you've given a touchdown. The ball can't start any deeper than the 1-yard line.

If you've got 109, then you have this: A ball on the A1. A's QB throws to the A receiver who is going down the sidelines in front of the B bench. With nobody else to beat, a B substitute comes off the bench and trips the player. - Automatic touchdown, and the B substitute is disqualified.

The most I can do otherwise is 107 ... Start with A ball on the A1.
Illegal Interference by an unauthorized person - 1/2 the distance (54.5 yds) This puts the ball on the B54.5. I believe it also grants a minimum of 3 plays to Team A, but I'd have to double-check.
Rough Play Disqualification - 25 yards - B29.5
UR - 15 yards - B14.5
Illegal Equipment - 5 yards - B9.5
No Mouthguard (2nd offence) - 5 yards, reduced to half the distance - B4.75
Objectionable Conduct - 10 yards, reduced to half the distance - B2.375

A 1D&Goal on the B2.375 (so, just over a foot outside the 2-yard line).

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Re: Fun head-scratcher
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2010, 09:18:34 PM »
Interference by an unauthorized person?  Is that what you're thinking?

Yep.

If you have an unauthorized interference at, say the A1, combined with an OC, RP and mouthguard warning, you'd get
54 1/2
+10
+5
+25
===
94.5

add in a dead-ball UR (15)=
109.5 (which you can't get, ball on 1, ergo 109)

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Re: Fun head-scratcher
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2010, 09:24:26 PM »
Illegal Interference by an unauthorized person - 1/2 the distance (54.5 yds) This puts the ball on the B54.5. I believe it also grants a minimum of 3 plays to Team A, but I'd have to double-check.

Only if there is insufficient time to otherwise complete three plays, iirc.

the touchdown you noted, again iirc, is only if it is clear in the opinion of the officials that a major would otherwise have been scored.

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Re: Fun head-scratcher
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2010, 06:33:20 AM »
Only if there is insufficient time to otherwise complete three plays, iirc.

the touchdown you noted, again iirc, is only if it is clear in the opinion of the officials that a major would otherwise have been scored.

I don't think I've ever accused someone else of having too much time on their hands.   LOL

The guaranteed 3 plays is valid.  There is no mention of "only if there is insufficient time", but logic would dictate that truth.  I would never use that language though as it doesn't add anything to the rule.

You are also correct about the TD - that the officials' judgment determined if they award a TD.

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Re: Fun head-scratcher
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2010, 08:16:27 AM »
I think the order of infractions matters, since I was always under the impression that OC is applied after everything is else.  OC is still restricted.  So, it seems that the order would have to be:

IUP
RP
NM
OC

Then apply these fouls.

Only THEN does a UR foul occur.

Which I believe you are alluding to...?

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Re: Fun head-scratcher
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2010, 06:24:46 PM »
I think the order of infractions matters, since I was always under the impression that OC is applied after everything is else.  OC is still restricted.  So, it seems that the order would have to be:

IUP
RP
NM
OC

Then apply these fouls.

Only THEN does a UR foul occur.

Which I believe you are alluding to...?

Yeah. Obviously, totally contrived ... but <shrug>

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Re: Fun head-scratcher
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2010, 09:17:55 PM »
You guys have way too much time on your hands.