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Cameramen on the field
« on: April 16, 2023, 06:40:33 PM »
I am seeing a cameraman on the field in USFL games, and I think Iíve seen them in the XFL, too. What a stupid idea. The old XFL did that, too. In the USFL game, he dang near got run over when defenders were chasing and catching the QB well behind the NZ. If he gets hurt, I donít care. But, if he impacts the play, then we should all care. The drones are annoying, enough, but they are far less likely to impact the game.
NFL and NCAA: Please.Please! Never allow cameramen on the field. At the most, not unless there is a bona-fide time-out on the field. Donít let them run into the end zone when a TD is scored.
Yet another horrible idea promoted only by TV for perceived ratings. All for money. If they want to broadcast the games, leave the game alone, and keep your cameras off the field!
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Re: Cameramen on the field
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2023, 09:14:47 AM »
It would not surprise me in the least to see the NCAA do it down the road.  Money talks.
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Re: Cameramen on the field
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2023, 10:58:59 AM »
Donít let them run into the end zone when a TD is scored.

Pretty sure this is already allowed.  I'm not sure if it's allowed by the NCAA or if it's up to the individual conference, but where I work, they can come on the field after a score. 

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Re: Cameramen on the field
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2023, 12:30:19 PM »
Auh for the days of THE GOODYEAR BLIMP !! :bOW

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Re: Cameramen on the field
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2023, 01:01:03 PM »
Pretty sure this is already allowed.  I'm not sure if it's allowed by the NCAA or if it's up to the individual conference, but where I work, they can come on the field after a score.

I guess a 10000 power zoom lens isn't good enough... ::)

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Re: Cameramen on the field
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2023, 01:57:56 PM »
I guess a 10000 power zoom lens isn't good enough... ::)

You would think that would be good enough. 

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Re: Cameramen on the field
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2023, 08:40:14 AM »
Could the guys at MIT be developing a built-in cam to eaach players' helmet  ??? . You could then see the vision of all 22 players on your TV screen  yEs:. AH, but we can only dream...some may call that a nightmare  :puke:

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Re: Cameramen on the field
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2023, 10:03:24 AM »
Could the guys at MIT be developing a built-in cam to eaach players' helmet  ??? . You could then see the vision of all 22 players on your TV screen  yEs:. AH, but we can only dream...some may call that a nightmare  :puke:

It don't take no MITter to figger out how to stick a pitcher-taker in a hemet.
Whomever actually designs and produces cell phones (for Apple, Samsung, etc.) already have itty-bitty cameras that can be easily fitted into a helmet. The battery and transmitter take up a bit of space, but even those can be small enough fit in a helmet. They might need a pocket at the rear of the helmet in which the battery/transmitter can reside. But, yeah, it can be done.
A lot of issues, though, not the least of which is ownership. Cameras truly built-in to the helmets would have to be carefully stored, protected, and maintained, not only due to cost, but for security purposes. So, who is responsible for that? The teams? Does Jerry Jones want to accept that liability? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. If the teams do accept that responsibility, that means they will each need a staff of full-time AV techs to manage their helmets. A big question: Do they use these helmets during practice? Or are the players expected to use these helmets only on game days? Is there a physical comfort issue there?
If the teams don't accept that responsibility, then how do the TV networks manage their cameras in somebody else's helmets? Or, do they own the helmets, but allow the teams to use them. Uh oh. Who takes the liability for injury, should a player get hurt using a network owned/maintained helmet?
On the broadcast production side, this would probably mean that the broadcasters will need about a dozen (maybe 22?) more technicians for each TV broadcast, to track which players are in the game at any one time, and make sure those 22 helmets are 'hot' at the given moment. OK, maybe they can produce a 'helmet board' with 96 switches (one for every squad member on both teams), and some madman has to be constantly switching helmets from hot to dark. Another issue is broadcast bandwidth. That's 22 more channels that would be active at any one moment. I couldn't even begin to guess what technical issues that might be related to this.
And then there is this: Who bears the cost? Guess who? One way or another, the spectators in the stands and at home will bear this increased cost of the game. TV will either raise their commercial rates, or insist that they get even more commercial time in each broadcast. Probably both. But maintain that magic 3-hour maximum window. Here comes another rule change to reduce game real time. Ultimately, it may come down to a soccer-like timing. TV will get their way and there will be a count-up clock, and it runs continuously and nothing - NOTHING - stops it. When it hits 3:00:00 - game over. Do what you want on the field for 3 hours, but, when the clock hits 3:00:00, they are switching to Heidi (raise your hand if you remember that).

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Re: Cameramen on the field
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2023, 10:08:13 AM »
Could the guys at MIT be developing a built-in cam to eaach players' helmet  ??? . You could then see the vision of all 22 players on your TV screen  yEs:. AH, but we can only dream...some may call that a nightmare  :puke:

We might already be there. At EVERY level, Youth through the Pros, from the 15ish YD-in (& end line) has become a magnet for "Fools with a cell phone/camera" to jockey for position, regardless of player/official safety, or possible impact on the game, TV coverage, or not.  When a gentle reminder, "to get back" isn't working, STOPPING THE GAME until "The Geese" waddle back to where they're supposed to be (& where necessary getting Security involved) becomes a necessity.

Boundary line Officials NEED extra room to do their jobs. Unfortunately, "Geese" are stubborn and have really short memories, & likely have to be checked/reminded EVERY time EITHER team approaches an EZ.

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Re: Cameramen on the field
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2023, 12:20:16 PM »
I'm willing to bet that sooner than later we will get helmet cams on the QBs and maybe one or two lineback or edge rusher. Like Elvis said managing the full 90(ish) player roster becomes a logistical nightmare.

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Re: Cameramen on the field
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2023, 06:32:43 AM »
Why stop with just cameras ? With our hi-tech capabilities, the QB's helmet could have a gadget (sorta' like a fish-finder) that could turn his head toward open recievers. Their helmets would then light up ,for ease in identification. Coaches and officials would no longer be needed in human form as one of those smart computers could be calling plays. The team trailing at halftime would need to watch Ronald Reagan give the "Win one for the Gipper" request in The Knute Rockne Story . We already know that officials (in human form) aren't needed. Spotting the ball would put the MIT guys back to work....could a magnetic layer be placed under the field turf with capabilities of drawing to football to the proper yardline. In lieu of this production, per chance an animal could be used. Dawg come first to mind, for their fetching abilites, but their teeth could cause the ball to deflate
(Tom Brady had that problem once) . A monkey could probably be trained to perform said duty until the MITers have perfected their magnetic field.
During the pandemic we learned that we didn't need fans, only sounds that came over our tube that sounded like fans.

There once was a song "....In the year 2525" or something there such, I only hope I'm not in town to see any of the above!

As Elvis said "Time to get back to work" . I now need to drive 80 miles to umpire a baseball game in cow country. Maine's mosquitoes have returned. I'd rather be chatting with you guys......

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Re: Cameramen on the field
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2023, 03:45:30 AM »
With them having the ability to put GPS devices in the footballs, surely all that's now needed to spot the ball is a GPS-enabled drone with a claw big enough to hold a ball. Program the exact forward progress location received from the ball into the drone and let it do its thing!

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Re: Cameramen on the field
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2023, 05:47:34 AM »
With them having the ability to put GPS devices in the footballs, surely all that's now needed to spot the ball is a GPS-enabled drone with a claw big enough to hold a ball. Program the exact forward progress location received from the ball into the drone and let it do its thing!
Great idea, Peter, we just need to put those Oxford boys to workl ! No need for magnetic fields or trained monkeys! I need to stop living in the 21st centuary !

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Re: Cameramen on the field
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2023, 10:12:26 AM »
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all that's now needed to spot the ball is a GPS-enabled drone with a claw big enough to hold a ball.

Uh, no.



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Re: Cameramen on the field
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2023, 12:34:23 PM »
Uh, no.



Until/unless "Artificial Intelligence" can be guaranteed to be both neutral AND impartial, it's not needed on sports fields.