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Offline ncwingman

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Re: 2021 Rules Committee Meeting
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2021, 01:56:15 PM »
Technically we are still awaiting the 2020 season.  The change won't take effect until fall 2021.

I'm also sure that that one rule change won't be a big game changer, but possibly expecting one coach to yell about it in March...

Unless it's a *real* nothingburger like defining shades of gray for visiting teams uniforms.

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Re: 2021 Rules Committee Meeting
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2021, 01:40:37 PM »
What in the world are you talking about? And how does that have anything to do with linemen lining up in a two point stance?
And yes, I looked up pettifogger. Has your picture beside it.
Are we going to resort to name calling now?
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Not about name calling, just a suggestion that might save a bunch of dead horses from continued beatings after their funerals and burial.  It's ENTIRELY your choice if/and or when, YOU choose to apply "a word to the wise" as opposed to a flag to BEST address a situation.  If you're not sure about how, or when, that option is appropriate, I'd suggest you have a thorough discussion with a mature fellow official, you have faith in, when you're seriously willing to listen.

My apologies if I fail to make a suggestion clear enough for you.  Should that happen, simply ask for clarification and I'll do my best to comply. That's a lot likely more productive than trying to put your words into my mouth.

Offline CalhounLJ

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Re: 2021 Rules Committee Meeting
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2021, 04:13:41 PM »
Not about name calling, just a suggestion that might save a bunch of dead horses from continued beatings after their funerals and burial.  It's ENTIRELY your choice if/and or when, YOU choose to apply "a word to the wise" as opposed to a flag to BEST address a situation.  If you're not sure about how, or when, that option is appropriate, I'd suggest you have a thorough discussion with a mature fellow official, you have faith in, when you're seriously willing to listen.

My apologies if I fail to make a suggestion clear enough for you.  Should that happen, simply ask for clarification and I'll do my best to comply. That's a lot likely more productive than trying to put your words into my mouth.
Ok, mature fellow official, Iím listening. How would you suggest I approach the situation of linemen lining up in a two point stance? What would I need to caution them about? And when?  Also, what perceived foul/rule would I be addressing? Please be as specific as possible. An example of a hypothetical conversation would be great.


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Re: 2021 Rules Committee Meeting
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2021, 01:24:51 PM »
Ok, mature fellow official, Iím listening. How would you suggest I approach the situation of linemen lining up in a two point stance? What would I need to caution them about? And when?  Also, what perceived foul/rule would I be addressing? Please be as specific as possible. An example of a hypothetical conversation would be great.
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You'd be better served, figuring out those questions by yourself, and then running your conclusions by someone who has, and is still, willing to work with you.

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Re: 2021 Rules Committee Meeting
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2021, 03:44:02 PM »
You'd be better served, figuring out those questions by yourself, and then running your conclusions by someone who has, and is still, willing to work with you.
Thatís what I figured.


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Re: 2021 Rules Committee Meeting
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2021, 06:28:07 PM »
Thatís what I figured.


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Re: 2021 Rules Committee Meeting
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2021, 11:58:12 AM »
Official Mississippi interpretation is as long as the motion of the lineman is immediate and forward, itís legal for him to block below the waist from a two point stance during a shotgun snap. If he takes a step back and then cuts itís illegal.

As far as a potential ďtalk toĒ, Iím not holding a rules conference pregame or during. Coaches have the interp.


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Official Arizona Interpretation is if the lineman are in a 2 point stance and in shotgun formation, it is illegal for them to block below the waist. Basically there is no time for the lineman to get low before the ball leaves the FBZ.

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Re: 2021 Rules Committee Meeting
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2021, 12:31:26 PM »
Official Arizona Interpretation is if the lineman are in a 2 point stance and in shotgun formation, it is illegal for them to block below the waist. Basically there is no time for the lineman to get low before the ball leaves the FBZ.
Thatís interesting. Tell me, what is the official interpretion of a two point stance?  Because I have seen linemen bend over at the waist with their arms resting on their thighs. The only difference between the two pint and three point being the hand touching the ground. Obviously, the OL could cut block as quickly from that position as he could from having his hand on the ground.

I just wonder if that was discussed?


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Re: 2021 Rules Committee Meeting
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2021, 12:31:57 PM »
Official Arizona Interpretation is if the lineman are in a 2 point stance and in shotgun formation, it is illegal for them to block below the waist. Basically there is no time for the lineman to get low before the ball leaves the FBZ.
Thatís interesting. Tell me, what is the official interpretion of a two point stance?  Because I have seen linemen bend over at the waist with their arms resting on their thighs. The only difference between the two pint and three point being the hand touching the ground. Obviously, the OL could cut block as quickly from that position as he could from having his hand on the ground.

I just wonder if that was discussed?


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Re: 2021 Rules Committee Meeting
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2021, 01:23:12 PM »
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Official Arizona Interpretation is if the lineman are in a 2 point stance and in shotgun formation, it is illegal for them to block below the waist. Basically there is no time for the lineman to get low before the ball leaves the FBZ.

Same in NC.

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Re: 2021 Rules Committee Meeting
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2021, 05:14:40 PM »
Our hi-tech zoom meeting ended this Tuesday. One rule passed. I'm sworn to secret until the NFHS press release. It was not a big year for new rules as only 8 were proposed (normally 40-50) and only one made it out of sub-committee.

Can you share what the POE's will be instead?

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Re: 2021 Rules Committee Meeting
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2021, 07:39:01 PM »
Iím to the pint of being ok if they take it out altogether. Of course I also know the backlash that would cause.


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Re: 2021 Rules Committee Meeting
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2021, 08:36:47 PM »
Guiness or O'hara's?........ ^good
Lol. Either will do


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Re: 2021 Rules Committee Meeting
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2021, 06:56:13 AM »
IIRC, the exception allowing BBW in the FBZ was put in to give smaller linemen a fair chance to block bigger linemen.  Those size differences still exist, especially at sub-varsity and middle school levels.

I wouldnít be opposed to narrowing the exception to only linemen who are in the FBZ, with one or both hands on or near the ground, and immediately after the snap.

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Re: 2021 Rules Committee Meeting
« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2021, 12:55:13 PM »
Can you share what the POE's will be instead?
There was a laundry list of  POEs suggested . The Editorial Committee then choses usually three. Haven't heard a word.

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Re: 2021 Rules Committee Meeting
« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2021, 09:53:31 AM »
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2021 Rules Committee Meeting
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