Just a quickie, cuz I’m bored

[ElvisLives]

A) 4/13, A-2 (right hash), 3:10 (4) A=3, B=7.

A11 receives the deep snap 8 yards deep in his end zone. As he begins to step forward to punt the ball, B99 breaks through the line and is rapidly approaching A11. A11 sees B99 and realizes that, if he attempts to punt the ball, B99 will block the kick. A11 runs to his left (top the opposite hash mark) and looks for somebody - ANYBODY - to whom to pass the ball. Now, under pressure from several B players, A11 throws the ball from 5 yards deep in the end zone, and the ball lands inbounds at the A-3, but with only A77 and A55 in the vicinity of where the ball landed.

Ruling:



B) 4/13, A-2 (right hash), 3:10 (4) A=3, B=7.

A11 receives the deep snap 8 yards deep in his end zone. As he begins to step forward to punt the ball, B99 breaks through the line and is rapidly approaching A11. A11 sees B99 and realizes that, if he attempts to punt the ball, B99 will block the kick. A11 takes one side step to avoid the charging B99, and looks for somebody - ANYBODY - to whom to pass the ball. Now, under pressure from several B players, A11 throws the ball from 5 yards deep in the end zone, and the ball lands inbounds at the A-3, but with only A77 and A55 in the vicinity of where the ball landed.

Ruling:

[GA Umpire]

Not up on NCAA rules, but under NFHS rules, in both cases, it is an illegal forward pass with the enforcement spot from the spot of the pass resulting in a safety.

(Answering because I am also bored.)

[Kalle]

A) Legal forward pass, the player who controlled the snap is outside the tackle box and the pass lands beyond the neutral zone. Team B 1/10 A-2 (right hash), snap, 25.

B) Illegal forward pass, the player who controlled the snap is not and has not been outside the tackle box. Safety. Team A FK A-20. PC 25. If team B declines the penalty, see A).

[ElvisLives]

Not up on NCAA rules, but under NFHS rules, in both cases, it is an illegal forward pass with the enforcement spot from the spot of the pass resulting in a safety.

(Answering because I am also bored.)

GA, as Kalle points out, NCAA is very different than NFHS. All legal in A. Intentional Grounding in B, with B having the option to accept an ‘artificial’ result of the down, instead of accepting a safety (or they can take the safety - their choice). I say ‘artificial,’ because, by rule, when an illegal forward pass falls incomplete, the ball belongs to the passing team at the spot of the pass (not the previous spot). But, there is an exception when the pass is made from the end zone. Team B can accept, essentially, an incomplete pass, i.e., ball spotted at the previous spot, next down. In this case, since it had been 4th down, that results in Team B being awarded the ball at the previous spot, first down.

[ElvisLives]

A) Legal forward pass, the player who controlled the snap is outside the tackle box and the pass lands beyond the neutral zone. Team B 1/10 A-2 (right hash), snap, 25.

Kalle, for Team B, would that be the right hash? Or the left hash? 😁. (Sorry. Just being a wise guy. Couldn’t help myself.)

B) Illegal forward pass, the player who controlled the snap is not and has not been outside the tackle box. Safety. Team A FK A-20. PC 25. If team B declines the penalty, see A).

[GA Umpire]

GA, as Kalle points out, NCAA is very different than NFHS. All legal in A. Intentional Grounding in B, with B having the option to accept an ‘artificial’ result of the down, instead of accepting a safety (or they can take the safety - their choice). I say ‘artificial,’ because, by rule, when an illegal forward pass falls incomplete, the ball belongs to the passing team at the spot of the pass (not the previous spot). But, there is an exception when the pass is made from the end zone. Team B can accept, essentially, an incomplete pass, i.e., ball spotted at the previous spot, next down. In this case, since it had been 4th down, that results in Team B being awarded the ball at the previous spot, first down.

Upon further review, under NFHS rules in A, if the pass clearly crossed the LoS, it is simply an incomplete pass.
Rule change a couple of seasons ago.

Brain cramp.
 

[GA Umpire]

I will try to do more research before I reply to other posts.

Also, I need to improve on my reading comprehension.  And proofreading skills.