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Football Officiating => General Discussion => Topic started by: TXMike on September 02, 2013, 06:42:24 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMXMHY8DfPE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMXMHY8DfPE) (Although I see a false start here)
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yep, got away with one there. Slick play, though.
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I thought it was a FST at full speed, too. Then I slowed it down.
It appears that the ball moves prior to the back leaning forward and taking a step. Is razor thin, but I don't think there was any foul. Almost impossible to view at full speed. Focus on the ball...
http://vimeo.com/73723099
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I didn't have a false start but I do have illegal motion.
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The back moves forward early to get to his "position" under center #2 That is a false start
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I see the back moving forward clearly before the snap
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A back moving forward before the snap should always be a FS.
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I see the back moving forward clearly before the snap
The initial lean by the back occurs less than 1/10th of a second before the start of the snap. The step doesn't occur until the backwards pass is in the air. I'll agree that the shoulder lean is grounds for a false start, but I don't think it's as clear as some of you seem to think. It doesn't help that none of the OL seems to move until the snap has already been received. It makes the play look really weird.
Anyone have anything for the slight contact between the L and the coach in the restricted area?
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It appears that L ran behind two coaches in the restricted area.
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The initial lean by the back occurs less than 1/10th of a second before the start of the snap. The step doesn't occur until the backwards pass is in the air. I'll agree that the shoulder lean is grounds for a false start, but I don't think it's as clear as some of you seem to think.
Agreed. This is why I've got a live ball foul for Illegal motion. Just sayin. Either way we're splitting a hair. One way or the other, if there's laundery on the field we're good.
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The initial lean by the back occurs less than 1/10th of a second before the start of the snap. The step doesn't occur until the backwards pass is in the air. I'll agree that the shoulder lean is grounds for a false start, but I don't think it's as clear as some of you seem to think.
Agreed. This is why I've got a live ball foul for Illegal motion. Just sayin. Either way we're splitting a hair. One way or the other, if there's laundery on the field we're good.
It may not be "clear" but it's a false start, NOT illegal motion. I disagree with the "laundry on the ground..." statement. ANY movement that simulates action at the snap is a false start, by rule.
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It appears that L ran behind two coaches in the restricted area.
It looked to me like there was SLIGHT contact with the first coach. You can see the coach's left arm knocked back. It was a serious question - I don't know how much contact is contact at this level. At first glance, I think this contact is easily ignorable.
I'm wondering if I'm wrong in that assessment.
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It looked to me like there was SLIGHT contact with the first coach. You can see the coach's left arm knocked back. It was a serious question - I don't know how much contact is contact at this level. At first glance, I think this contact is easily ignorable.
I'm wondering if I'm wrong in that assessment.
Contact or no contact - if any non-player (this includes coaches) is in the restricted area while the ball is live it is a foul. Rule 9-8-3.
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Sideline management is a continuous and progressive process, often subject to lapses in judgment caused by the emotion of the moment. Bad habits are best corrected by consistent and constructive correction and adjustment is often a progressive consequence.
Controlling the restricted area is NOT an aimless demonstration of power, it's a serious and important preventive measure designed to protect the safety and well being of both officials and all sideline personnel, who routinely are subject to distraction either by their attention to necessary focus on game action, or emotional observation of the game. Collisions within the restricted area are serious matters that offer the potential of extreme physical consequences, that are totally unnecessary and easily avoided.
In many instances a simple, direct, reminder of stated restrictions, and the reasoning behind them is sufficient to eliminate problems and congestion. The number, and intensity of reminders is unique to each sideline, within each contest and the manner in which reminders are received, impacts the process which, if not eliminated, culminates in eventual warning and if necessary penalty. It's NOT about ego, it's NOT about territory or habit, it's all about common sense and relative safety.
Proper sideline management during prior contests helps make your job that much easier, as much as your proper sideline management, hopefully, makes the job at next week's sideline easier, and safer.