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Football Officiating => Texas Topics => Topic started by: CoachTater on October 07, 2013, 10:21:52 AM

Title: Neutral Zone Infraction
Post by: CoachTater on October 07, 2013, 10:21:52 AM
We are playing a team that is notorious for doing the following:

The offensive line is in a 2 point stance (standing up).  When they use a hard snap count to draw the defense into the neutral zone, the offensive linemen slap the defensive linemen.  I assume that since they have gotten away with this for many years that it is a form of "self protection" against the oncoming rush.  I get that . . . but HATE it!

Your thoughts please.
Title: Re: Neutral Zone Infraction
Post by: maven on October 07, 2013, 10:50:13 AM
You obviously think that A is using their shift as a tactic to gain an unfair advantage. In that case, B is not guilty of offside for provoking a response from the A linemen.

You could flag a FS for simulating the snap.

I suppose it's worth noting that the NCAA rule book section on Coaching Ethics specifically prohibits this type of play:

"Shifting in a way that simulates the start of a play or employing any other unfair tactic for the purpose of drawing one’s opponent offside. This can be construed only as a deliberate attempt to gain an unmerited advantage."
Title: Re: Neutral Zone Infraction
Post by: CoachTater on October 07, 2013, 12:13:08 PM
So, you're telling me that when a team uses the second Hut as their snap count when they normally use the first Hut is illegal and against coaching ethics?

I know better than that.

I know that defensive linemen jump into the neutral zone ALL THE TIME!  At the same time, offensive linemen do not have to sit there an just take a blow . . . they can protect themselves.  But, slapping a defensive linemen when they come across the ball . . . I just want your thoughts.
Title: Re: Neutral Zone Infraction
Post by: James on October 08, 2013, 01:41:43 AM
I think maven misunderstood your original description.
The A players do nothing to incur a False Start, the action you disapprove of is the slap to the D lineman who jumps across.
If it is a slap to the helmet you can have a foul - but I think I personally would point out to them once before throwing the flag. (As someone who only does NCAA rules -Fed might be different)
If the slap is to the shoulder - no way that you have anything.
Title: Re: Neutral Zone Infraction
Post by: RunRickyRun on October 08, 2013, 05:47:52 AM
If the slap is to the shoulder - no way that you have anything.

I agree.  If the defender is in the NZ, the 'threatened' offensive player has a right to defend his position.  Would you rather he fire out and plant the guy or simply slap the shoulder to draw the flag?
Title: Re: Neutral Zone Infraction
Post by: CoachTater on October 08, 2013, 07:41:20 AM
OK, thanks for the replies.