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Football Officiating => Texas Topics => Topic started by: TxSkyBolt on December 19, 2015, 03:48:13 PM
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I'll start, only my opinion, YMMV.
1) Referees running to get QB forward progress spot on sacks, completely ignoring the QB laying under the defender. Stay back, observe and let the wings get forward progress.
2) Umpires sprinting to the pile on every tackle. Use your voice and come up cautiously, watching for DB fouls.
3) Back Judges dropping a bean bag on punts after a fair catch. This is a head scratcher.
4) Wings winding the clock when ball carrier is not tackled near the sideline. When I say near, probably OK to wind when tackle is within a yard of the sideline. So many wings wind when tackle is 2, 3 sometimes 4 yards from the sideline. Simply no need.
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As a BJ, I drop a bag on EVERY punt regardless of fair catch or not. If I drop it every time, I stay in my routine. Never a bad thing to know the end of the kick, you never know what may happen.
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5. Flank spotting ball at a their feet on play ending at the sidelines and looking to the nose picking ball boy for a ball. Use the dirty ball please and help keep the flow going.
6. Umpire ball watching and giving some kind of signal as the ball carrier crosses the goal line. Just throw up your hands and give the dam signal right if you're going to ball watch and not do your job. Flanks get paid for forward progress spots and ruling on scores.
7. Deep flanks crashing down on E-V-E-R-Y play out of bounds, guess they must be bored and need something to do.
8. Coaches in the white, I don't care where, no one in the white.
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9. Referees walking downfield when a downfield official throws a flag. Please jog and get downfield and get the foul information.
10. Back Judges dropping a bean bag on interceptions in which the team B player is running forward away from the end zone when momentum will not be an issue.
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11. Referee's who refuse to protect their QB, Kicker or Holder because they're more interested in watching the ball.
12. Flank officials not officiating out of bounds players because they want to pose down the goal line and signal TD.
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hEaDbAnG 13. Listening to announcers that say asinine and/or obvious things OR comment on fouls that they are completely ignorant about.
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11. Referee's who refuse to protect their QB, Kicker or Holder because they're more interested in watching the ball. 5:52 4th of Lone Star v Cedar Park
12. Flank officials not officiating out of bounds players because they want to pose down the goal line and signal TD.
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14. Referees out of shape and puking on the field after long fumble and blocked field goals. :sTiR:
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Back Judges dropping a bean bag on punts after a fair catch. This is a head scratcher.
I don't know why. What if you have to break something up? What if the receiver gets hit and the ball comes loose, and everyone thinks its live? Can you guarantee you will remember the spot in those and other situations?
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15. Using the word placard instead of placket when referring to the position letter on the back of our shirts.
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Neither really seem to define it txsky.
A placket is an opening in the upper part of trousers or skirts, or at the neck or sleeve of a garment. Plackets are almost always used to allow clothing to be put on or removed easily, but are sometimes used purely as a design element.
A sign or notice for display in a public place. 2. A small card or plaque, such as a nameplate on a door.
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A placket is a slit and a placard is a sign. I think placard is a better Name for it but I just called it what I had heard it called
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16. Officials that throw flags.at players instead of spots.
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The general lack of recruiting, training, appreciation and reasonable pay.
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Referees chewing gum while making announcements. Also when reporting a foul starting off by saying "we got".
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Neither really seem to define it txsky.
A placket is an opening in the upper part of trousers or skirts, or at the neck or sleeve of a garment. Plackets are almost always used to allow clothing to be put on or removed easily, but are sometimes used purely as a design element.
A sign or notice for display in a public place. 2. A small card or plaque, such as a nameplate on a door.
But that's what it's called Doc. I didn't invent the term but it's correctly Placket not placard. check TASO website, Honigs, etc.
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17. Referees who announce penalties against team names instead of Offense/Defense/Kicking team/Return team
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17. Referees who announce penalties against team names instead of Offense/Defense/Kicking team/Return team
There is an interception or fumble. During the return, Team A commits a personal foul. How should the referee describe them, if not by team name? They're not returning anything, they haven't kicked the ball, and by rule they aren't the offense.
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There is an interception or fumble. During the return, Team A commits a personal foul. How should the referee describe them, if not by team name? They're not returning anything, they haven't kicked the ball, and by rule they aren't the offense.
Agree that there are times it makes good sense to announce team names. I was just speaking to the routine live ball fouls.
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5. Flank spotting ball at a their feet on play ending at the sidelines and looking to the nose picking ball boy for a ball. Use the dirty ball please and help keep the flow going.
6. Umpire ball watching and giving some kind of signal as the ball carrier crosses the goal line. Just throw up your hands and give the dam signal right if you're going to ball watch and not do your job. Flanks get paid for forward progress spots and ruling on scores.
7. Deep flanks crashing down on E-V-E-R-Y play out of bounds, guess they must be bored and need something to do.
8. Coaches in the white, I don't care where, no one in the white.
I believe #7 is pretty standard and encouraged at the various camps I've attended.
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There is an interception or fumble. During the return, Team A commits a personal foul. How should the referee describe them, if not by team name? They're not returning anything, they haven't kicked the ball, and by rule they aren't the offense.
Let's keep in mind that not all announcements need to have rule terminology. The announcement is to briefly explain the foul and by whom. Even though by rule they aren't the offense, but to fans they are, so calling them offense after a change of possession will convey the message as to which team fouled. You could also refer to them as the passing team or fumbling team.
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#18 Wings who can not throw the ball into the U from the white with a reasonable sense of accuracy
#19 Wings that turn their back to the players in the field while they run back to their position
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But that's what it's called Doc. I didn't invent the term but it's correctly Placket not placard. check TASO website, Honigs, etc.
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If you're an official and someone says "we are going to wear placards," doesn't just about everyone know what that means? :o)
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If you're an official and someone says "we are going to wear placards," doesn't just about everyone know what that means? :o)
But it would still be wrong. Everybody knows what is meant by a lateral but insist on calling it a backwards pass.
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Referees who are consumed with finishing a game as quickly as possible, blowing the ready before the ball is even on the ground.
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But it would still be wrong. Everybody knows what is meant by a lateral but insist on calling it a backwards pass.
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Placard placard placard. nAnA nAnA nAnA
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Waiting 45 days for a payment on 5 games, of course the 45th day just happens to be the last day of school until Jan 4.
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Had a game check go over 95 days before payment. Excuse was new person in charge of doing the pay. Had to learn how things were done. I just wonder if the rest of the school's venders had to wait 90+ days to get paid?
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Had a game check go over 95 days before payment. Excuse was new person in charge of doing the pay. Had to learn how things were done. I just wonder if the rest of the school's venders had to wait 90+ days to get paid?
How is this so hard? If it's a person who's done it for a long time, I'd expect it to be turned around within 48 hours. New person, maybe add 1-2 days. What is so hard about cutting a check that "new person" is used as an excuse? I guess the salaries are so low that schools can't afford to get someone who knows what they're doing?
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I'm still waiting on one for 4 games, granted it was an out of area school but, rather than ask someone if billing was right, business office assumed it was spam.
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On a 7 man crew, H & L who does not understand or practice good push mechanics on scrimmage plays. Get on your horse and GO!
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Excuse my ignorance, but what are push mechanics?
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Officials who think that they are entitled to every big game that comes around. Young officials who think that they are entitled to call the upper level games and just completed their 1st or 2nd year of officiating.
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Politics!
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Excuse my ignorance, but what are push mechanics?
Push or Reverse Push mechanics is where H & L have to lead the play and S & F trail the play when there is a COP resulting in an interception return or fumble return. It's covered and explained very well by Jim Jackson, Coordinator of Officials in the Ohio Valley Conference, in CFO's 2013 Training Video: Keys and Coverage.
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Push or Reverse Push mechanics is where H & L have to lead the play and S & F trail the play when there is a COP resulting in an interception return or fumble return. It's covered and explained very well by Jim Jackson, Coordinator of Officials in the Ohio Valley Conference, in CFO's 2013 Training Video: Keys and Coverage.
In GA they are called "reverse" mechanics.
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Young officials who think that they are entitled to call the upper level games and just completed their 1st or 2nd year of officiating.
On the flip side, older officials who have 20 "first" years of experience who keep good young officials from having an opportunity in big games.
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20. As a LJ, a fumble happens right in front of me. As I'm signaling to stop the clock and first down for team R comes rushing in to pre-empt my first down defensive team signal with the same one. I'm right on top of it and you weren't. Let me get the ball spotted and possession change signaled before you take care of the administrative duties, please and thanks.
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In GA they are called "reverse" mechanics.
Thanks, that's what we call them too, makes sense now.
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On a 7 man crew, H & L who does not understand or practice good push mechanics on scrimmage plays. Get on your horse and GO!
good reverse mechanics don't include getting on your horse and going, often times a short wing might get passed on these types of plays, its important to focus on the action and not attempt to play catch up or race
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good reverse mechanics don't include getting on your horse and going, often times a short wing might get passed on these types of plays, its important to focus on the action and not attempt to play catch up or race
H & L is responsible for the GL. Suggest you review the CFO video I referenced.
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H & L is responsible for the GL. Suggest you review the CFO video I referenced.
I am aware of the mechanics, many times when a athlete that runs a 4.4 catches an interception, getting to the GL prior can be an impossible task "getting on your horse" would be meaningless, I was suggesting to hustle but also officiate the play, getting to the GL is not the be all end all
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"Without officials...it's only recess."
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I am aware of the mechanics, many times when a athlete that runs a 4.4 catches an interception, getting to the GL prior can be an impossible task "getting on your horse" would be meaningless, I was suggesting to hustle but also officiate the play, getting to the GL is not the be all end all
Getting to the goal line IS the be-all, end-all. The goal line is the "money line." If he trips on his shoelaces and falls flat on his face near the goal line, how are you going to know whether or not he made it in if you are dragging your rear down the field? ??? As an observer and evaluator, you darn well better be there.
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Getting to the goal line IS the be-all, end-all. The goal line is the "money line." If he trips on his shoelaces and falls flat on his face near the goal line, how are you going to know whether or not he made it in if you are dragging your rear down the field? ??? As an observer and evaluator, you darn well better be there.
So you would downgrade an official that got beat to te goaline by a 20 year old athlete? That ain't cool, you should watch some NFL games they get beat all the time one just has to be good at any point on the field because the truth is we will all get beat at some point, it's having this realization and not over working on the play that we are on our "horse" and not working the entire play that makes a good official
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I look at it the way Vince Lombardi looked at winning. Lombardi said (or at least is credited with saying) "Winning isn't everything. The will to win is everything." If I'm an L and the QB gets stripped in the pocket and a defender picks it up and takes it for a touchdown, odds are I'm not going to beat him there. But I still have goal line responsibility and need to do everything I can to be in as good of position as I can to make a ruling. I can't just say "Well I'm gonna be beat, I'll back it down a notch." On the other hand, if the turnover is a punt or an interception downfield, I have no excuse to not be at the goal line when the ball carrier gets there. "He's faster than me" doesn't hold up very well when I've got a 20 yard or better head start.
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So you would downgrade an official that got beat to te goaline by a 20 year old athlete? That ain't cool, you should watch some NFL games they get beat all the time one just has to be good at any point on the field because the truth is we will all get beat at some point, it's having this realization and not over working on the play that we are on our "horse" and not working the entire play that makes a good official
Twist it anyway you want but if he's loafing... darn right he gets downgraded. I don't care about the NFL. That's not the crux of this discussion. You'd argue with a lamppost to make yourself believe you're right, especially of you thought the lamppost would argue back. Using the example of a 20 year old that runs a four-four 40 is nothing more than a cop out. Read Legacy Zebra's post just before this one. He sums it up pretty well.
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So you would downgrade an official that got beat to te goaline by a 20 year old athlete? That ain't cool, you should watch some NFL games they get beat all the time one just has to be good at any point on the field because the truth is we will all get beat at some point, it's having this realization and not over working on the play that we are on our "horse" and not working the entire play that makes a good official
As LZ said, it is important what you are trying to do. On a long return the most important responsibility for the short wings is the goal line and if they have even the slightest chance of beating the ball carrier there, I'm (as a supervisor) expecting them to try, especially if it is a contested return. If they can't keep up, it is most likely an uncontested return and then they can just as well keep an eye on the blocks behind the runner (BIBs, blindsides) and even let the deep wing pass them, for all I care.
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Twist it anyway you want but if he's loafing... darn right he gets downgraded. I don't care about the NFL. That's not the crux of this discussion. You'd argue with a lamppost to make yourself believe you're right, especially of you thought the lamppost would argue back. Using the example of a 20 year old that runs a four-four 40 is nothing more than a cop out. Read Legacy Zebra's post just before this one. He sums it up pretty well.
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and even let the deep wing pass them
This is where you lost me Kalle. A short wing has at least a 20 yard head start from his deep partner. And on punts, it's closer to 50. In my opinion, there's no reason he should be passed by the deep official. Assuming a clear sideline and you don't have player traffic in front of you, letting the deep wing catch you is a pretty good indication that you are not doing what you're supposed to be doing.
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Back to the original topic of pet peeves, officials who apply what they want the rules to be rather than what the rules are. For instance, I had a dead ball targeting on a late hit out of bounds as the L in a JV game. I reported it to the R and he said, "Well, I don't think we need to toss him for it, so let's just call it unnecessary roughness." I protested and told him it wasn't up to us to decide and the rule is very specific that this is an auto dq. Of course being a younger official, I got the "I've been doing this X years and I'm not ejecting him from this game." That was the last game I ever worked with that official.
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This is where you lost me Kalle. A short wing has at least a 20 yard head start from his deep partner. And on punts, it's closer to 50. In my opinion, there's no reason he should be passed by the deep official. Assuming a clear sideline and you don't have player traffic in front of you, letting the deep wing catch you is a pretty good indication that you are not doing what you're supposed to be doing.
I was thinking of a situation where we have a 90 yard uncontested interception return after a short pass, and the short wing being slower than the deep wing. I'm not really sure how good each of the incorrect options are in that case.