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Football Officiating => Texas Topics => Topic started by: mccormicw on December 21, 2017, 04:47:43 PM
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https://youtu.be/cg62zMIgZ74 (https://youtu.be/cg62zMIgZ74) Make sure you watch in HD.
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Targeting. Shoulder to the head/neck of a defenseless player
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Love the announcement “attacking a defenseless player”.
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Love the announcement “attacking a defenseless player”.
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This dude literally described TGT and then....did not call TGT, wonder what chapter they are from????
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Yes it’s targeting. Guess it evens out for Brock since Rockdale was allowed to wear the illegal jerseys.
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This dude literally described TGT and then....did not call TGT, wonder what chapter they are from????
Both 3A games are done by Houston.
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Obviously TGT and this is a Houston crew that worked 33 regular season games and most playoff dates. What was the U doing? This is an absolutely sad display of officiating. Embarrassing for my city!!!
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They should be ashamed and demoted back to peewees until they understand an obvious and basic TGT.
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Obviously TGT and this is a Houston crew that worked 33 regular season games and most playoff dates. What was the U doing? This is an absolutely sad display of officiating. Embarrassing for my city!!!
Thanks HoustonRef. Appreciate that honesty. It was also a very weak UNS on the interception. Rockdale coach is lived even with a big lead.
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Thanks HoustonRef. Appreciate that honesty. It was also a very weak UNS on the interception. Rockdale coach is lived even with a big lead.
The UNS play - https://youtu.be/OmrNQg-h4Xw (https://youtu.be/OmrNQg-h4Xw)
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The UNS play - https://youtu.be/OmrNQg-h4Xw (https://youtu.be/OmrNQg-h4Xw)
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The UNS play - https://youtu.be/OmrNQg-h4Xw (https://youtu.be/OmrNQg-h4Xw)
Terrible call and bad announcement. I threw a flag like this in my 4th or 5th year and got blasted for doing it. In mine, the player turned around and looked at a guy and pointed upwards. I flagged for taunting and enforced from the 5. Got ripped by my supervisor. This was even more innocuous than that. Clearly just excited to make a play, you gotta leave this alone.
But then the announcement, "Penalty enforced from the DB spot" is wrong. The DB spot is the goalline because this is a scoring play. You're enforcing from the spot of the PENALTY
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Terrible call and bad announcement. I threw a flag like this in my 4th or 5th year and got blasted for doing it. In mine, the player turned around and looked at a guy and pointed upwards. I flagged for taunting and enforced from the 5. Got ripped by my supervisor. This was even more innocuous than that. Clearly just excited to make a play, you gotta leave this alone.
But then the announcement, "Penalty enforced from the DB spot" is wrong. The DB spot is the goalline because this is a scoring play. You're enforcing from the spot of the PENALTY
It is not a scoring play. It is a spot foul. Correctly enforced from the 8 -- the spot of the UNS. Now I agree this is a suspect call . . . and the announcement was not good . . . but the enforcement at least is correct.
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So I just wonder if the crew will fill out a missapplication of rules?
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So I just wonder if the crew will fill out a missapplication of rules?
Fill out what? Do you mean an Incident Report? If so, why? This was a judgment call, with which folks can agree or disagree. But it wasn't a misapplication of rule.
Robert
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Robert I was talking about the TGT call. Not the UNS.
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Robert I was talking about the TGT call. Not the UNS.
10-4.
But even that was judgment. They judged it to be either a hit on a receiver when the pass is obviously uncatchable (9-1-12), or a late hit. Should it have been targeting? That's debatable (most people seem to think it should have been). But, again, not a misapplication of a rule.
Robert
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I agree that it was targeting. It was also very evident that this kid was seeking to put on a vicious hit that was definitely not necessary.
As for the UNS, that was weak! Take into account the game and to which direction the kid was pointing and let it go.
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They should be ashamed and demoted back to peewees until they understand an obvious and basic TGT.
It is such an easy call to make while watching the review on tv. I guess that is why college allowed the review booth to create the penalty or call them off of it. To DQ a player from a game without review would be pretty tough to do unless everyone on the crew agreed that it was targeting.
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It is such an easy call to make while watching the review on tv. I guess that is why college allowed the review booth to create the penalty or call them off of it. To DQ a player from a game without review would be pretty tough to do unless everyone on the crew agreed that it was targeting.
So, the SJ watching his #1 receiver 20 yards away, FJ watching his #1 20 yards away, the BJ watching #2 30 yards away, R watching the QB, H watching the tackles and the receivers in his area, L watching his receivers. Only the U who is in that area watching the play and throws the flag is the one who sees the hit. But EVERYONE else who is watching something else must come to a unanimous decision to have targeting?
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No, there certainly should not be a concensus of all 7 of the crew on this play. The R should definitely have no idea what is happening downfield. But, the ball was thrown to the middle third of the field, so it is totally conceivable and quite possible that there could be six sets of eyes on the play. Since the ball was on a relatively low trajectory, the U quite properly had turned to be of help with the catch. The receiver was #1 to the H side, so he was the S’s key, so the S is definitely on this. The other receivers were not immediately threatened. So, when the ball was thrown, all the eyes of the deep guys and wings should go to the intended receiver, unless there is something compelling to keep their attention elsewhere (such as some sort of personal foul action). So, that is as many as 6 sets of eyes that may have input on the play. But, in reality, there are usually about 3 guys that actually get a beneficial look at the play. If I was the R, I would want to get as much input as possible, especially if it might involve a DQ.
On that particular play, in the views provided, we see the U pull his flag, then stuff it back in his belt. I believe this is because he saw the S toss his flag for the foul, and decided he didn’t need to complete throwing his. We don’t see the S’s flag, but you can see another official - presumed to be the S, with game card in hand - communicating with the U and R, which, although circumstantial, is pretty conclusive evidence the S threw on this. So, I don’t believe it was only the U on this call.
Robert
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To DQ a player from a game without review would be pretty tough to do unless everyone on the crew agreed that it was targeting.
Lol
I’m guessing you were the L in yesterday’s circus? The U literally pulls his flag out about throws them looks to put it back in his pocket. I’ve DQ’d many a player from a game without replay and they were always CC. It’s not hard if you know what you’re doing.
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HoustonRef...................I am sitting in the Man Cave and watching while your bro's are on the field. Good call on my opinion of the call by a Houston crew.
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I saw the U pull it out as well and put it back in his pocket. My only concern with that is did he see a foul and was going to throw on it but then saw another official throw and felt he didn't need to. That is never a good mechanic in my view. You don't always know what the other flag is being thrown for.
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HoustonRef...................I am sitting in the Man Cave and watching while your bro's are on the field. Good call on my opinion of the call by a Houston crew.
Thanks for letting us know where you’re watching the replay of a HS game.
The fact that they had a flag is good but they didn’t make the correct call. It was TGT but they went PF aggressively striking a defenseless player or something. Seemed like they were too scared to properly enforce the foul.
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Targeting all the way. Isn’t the “when in question” you go with TGT? Think so.
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So, the SJ watching his #1 receiver 20 yards away, FJ watching his #1 20 yards away, the BJ watching #2 30 yards away, R watching the QB, H watching the tackles and the receivers in his area, L watching his receivers. Only the U who is in that area watching the play and throws the flag is the one who sees the hit. But EVERYONE else who is watching something else must come to a unanimous decision to have targeting?
The BJ actually threw the flag on this play.
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Lol
I’m guessing you were the L in yesterday’s circus? The U literally pulls his flag out about throws them looks to put it back in his pocket. I’ve DQ’d many a player from a game without replay and they were always CC. It’s not hard if you know what you’re doing.
I wish I was in the game! From what I remember the BJ threw is flag on the play. I never saw the U reach until this clip.
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I live in a glass house, so I am not going to throw stones.
The hit was clearly late, so you have the flag for a late hit. He is defenseless, but its possibly no one got a real good look at it.
It wasnt "egregiously" targeting.... meaning, I have seen much bigger hits that were very clear. Watching it live i thought...maybe... certainly should be a flag for late hit. Watching it again on review, yes, I agree with most here that was targeting.
But we dont get a second bite at that apple.
As noted earlier, the rule does state, when in doubt, it is targeting.... but I guess we are still getting used to the when in doubt.
Anyway, hypothetically, I might know someone who has had a play like that this year, where it was late, but only after looking at film could that individual confirm it probably should have been targeting... you know, hypothetically.
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It's TGT under both definitions. Crown of helmet hit.