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Title: Horsecollar or not
Post by: mccormicw on December 21, 2017, 07:09:04 PM

https://youtu.be/04Yy5uCJVj0 (https://youtu.be/04Yy5uCJVj0)  If not, is that because it does not meet the letter of the law or the intent of the rule or both?

Title: Re: Horsecollar or not
Post by: HoustonRef on December 21, 2017, 07:13:26 PM

Textbook

This crew is struggling!!! Awful game for them...not surprised though

Title: Re: Horsecollar or not
Post by: bama_stripes on December 21, 2017, 08:12:55 PM

I don't have a HC here.  Knees didn't buckle, plus he fell forward.

Title: Re: Horsecollar or not
Post by: HoustonRef on December 21, 2017, 08:16:24 PM

Quote from: bama_stripes on December 21, 2017, 08:12:55 PM

I don't have a HC here.  Knees didn't buckle, plus he fell forward.

Good explanation if this were three years ago

Title: Re: Horsecollar or not
Post by: Magician on December 22, 2017, 01:35:45 AM

Quote from: HoustonRef on December 21, 2017, 08:16:24 PM

Good explanation if this were three years ago

What changed 3 years ago with that explanation? The only thing I know is by philosophy some will say to flag it if the knees buckle but he doesn't get tackled. But if he's tackled like this it should be a horse collar. I would grade this as an incorrect no call.

Title: Re: Horsecollar or not
Post by: Sumstine on December 22, 2017, 03:57:53 AM

Yes

Title: Re: Horsecollar or not
Post by: goodgrr on December 22, 2017, 05:01:37 AM

100% yes.

Title: Re: Horsecollar or not
Post by: cwag on December 22, 2017, 08:24:27 AM

Defender grabed the jersey and pulled to slow the WR down.  With that not working, DB went to the ground and jerked the WR down.  If you look at the two actions independently, then you can conclude the second action caused an immediate buckling of the legs making this a textbook HCT.  I would go with Sumstine's ruling any day.

Title: Re: Horsecollar or not
Post by: getnbetter on December 22, 2017, 09:26:27 AM

This is a horsecollar.

Title: Re: Horsecollar or not
Post by: Phantomref on December 22, 2017, 01:45:05 PM

HC  ^flag all the way...this kid (#27) needs some coaching on the rules. He also should have also been called been called for targeting in this game.

Title: Re: Horsecollar or not
Post by: mccormicw on December 22, 2017, 03:11:37 PM

Quote from: Phantomref on December 22, 2017, 01:45:05 PM

HC  ^flag all the way...this kid (#27) needs some coaching on the rules. He also should have also been called been called for targeting in this game.

  Check out the "You Make The Call" discussion in this forum for the targeting play.

Title: Re: Horsecollar or not
Post by: clearwall on December 22, 2017, 06:46:28 PM

Maybe all the state coaches should rethink this "lets use houston chapter for every state champ game" idea?

Title: Re: Horsecollar or not
Post by: Redriverref on December 22, 2017, 09:26:54 PM

The Houston folks have done well.