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Football Officiating => General Discussion => Topic started by: Punisher K74 on May 02, 2018, 01:15:33 AM
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I'm from europe and i guess you guys are more expirienced with football rules
We had a debate on the game and after, was that game opening kickoff a touchback ( as it was ruled ) or safety ( as some thinked )
Play starts at 5:05min
Thanks for helping me
https://youtu.be/9FTh6Qy6SU0
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I'm from europe and i guess you guys are more expirienced with football rules
We had a debate on the game and after, was that game opening kickoff a touchback ( as it was ruled ) or safety ( as some thinked )
Play starts at 5:05min
Thanks for helping me
https://youtu.be/9FTh6Qy6SU0
Touchback. It does not matter if NCAA rules set or NFHS rules set.
It is still a kick that goes into and out of the end zone.
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Thank you
And i forgot to write it it's NCAA rules
Bigesst debate was that returner did not have possesion ( he just touched the ball, tried to cach it )
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Status of the ball never changed -- a Free Kick that went into and out of the end zone --- Touchback.
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The only thing that changes in NCAA (and IFAF) rules when the kick is touched by team B in the field of play is that the ball does not become dead immediately when it strikes ground in team B's end zone.
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IMHO, best rule of :thumbup as to muff (=touchback) or catch and fumble (=safety/touchdown K) is : If it was a pass and you would rule it incomplete = muff; if you would have ruled it complete =safety/touchdown.
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What everyone else have said is correct, and the correct ruling is touchback. But I just want to be a bit more precise as to the actual rules. This was a loose ball that became dead behind a goal line. The ball was loose from the free kick, and it was dead by going OB. This is either a touchback or a safety, depending on the team that is responsible for the impetus on the ball at the time it became dead. Team B's muff of the kick 1) started the game clock, and 2) made it legal for team A to touch the ball (in addition to the ball being well beyond B's restraining line). But, since Team B didn't gain possession, didn't bat the ball, and didn't kick the ball, nothing else about the ball was changed. So, when the ball went out of bounds behind B's goal line, the impetus was from Team A's kick. That is simply a touchback.
Robert
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In NFHS, a kick becomes dead once it ENTERS the end zone regardless of who or how many may have muffed it prior - that rule supports that kicks cannot be ran out of the end zone. I believe NCAA differs of this.
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In NFHS, a kick becomes dead once it ENTERS the end zone regardless of who or how many may have muffed it prior - that rule supports that kicks cannot be ran out of the end zone. I believe NCAA differs of this.
Yes, one of the more major differences. For NCAA, if the ball touches the ground in the end zone untouched by B, then that is an instant touchback. Otherwise, the ball remains alive, even after breaking the plane of the goal line.
Robert
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In NFHS, a kick becomes dead once it ENTERS the end zone regardless of who or how many may have muffed it prior - that rule supports that kicks cannot be ran out of the end zone. I believe NCAA differs of this.
Ralph,
In NFHS, are you saying that if a ball is muffed at the 10 yard line, and rolls beyond the goal line, it is a touchback?
I thought it was only a touchback if it entered the EZ untouched by B.
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Ralph,
In NFHS, are you saying that if a ball is muffed at the 10 yard line, and rolls beyond the goal line, it is a touchback?
I thought it was only a touchback if it entered the EZ untouched by B.
The ole' NFHS adage of : "A KICK IS A KICK, IS A KICK, IS A KICK UNTIL IT'S NOT A KICK ANYMORE". Sorta' like Pi - it's endless. :)
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The ole' NFHS adage of : "A KICK IS A KICK, IS A KICK, IS A KICK UNTIL IT'S NOT A KICK ANYMORE". Sorta' like Pi - it's endless. :)
As NFHS 2-24-2 tries to tells us, the ONLY 2 things that can cause a kick, to no longer be a kick (and subject to ALL that governs being a kick) is;
1. "A player gains POSSESSION" Doesn't include being [i]MUFFED[/i] (by either team, no matter how many times by either, in how many directions) or TOUCHED (legally, illegally, accidentally, deliberately) etc.
2. "The ball becomes DEAD while NOT in player possession.
3. There is NO 3
Although 2-24-2 is clear, simple and straightforward, it can often behave as a deeply buried "landmine". One way to avoid confusion in the "heat of the moment" is to specifically clarify whether, AND CONFIRM AND BE SURE HOW that the kick has/or has not ENDED (by 2-24-2 either #1 or #2, exclusively).