Post by: JasonTX on December 19, 2018, 06:29:05 PM
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Post by: TexDoc on December 19, 2018, 07:15:28 PM
First off congratulations to all those working state championship games. My two cents. Referees, before flipping that mic on come to a complete stop and make sure you know what you are going to say and the proper signal and don't start walking away while still talking on the mic.
Agree!! Even if you have to take just a second or two to gather your thoughts, think about what you’re going to say, and what numbers to announce, do it. Too many R’s get in way too much of a hurry.
Post by: salth2o on December 19, 2018, 08:32:35 PM
Agree!! Even if you have to take just a second or two to gather your thoughts, think about what you’re going to say, and what numbers to announce, do it. Too many R’s get in way too much of a hurry.
You can definitely tell some of the officials are not comfortable with the mic. Get your thoughts together, speak slowly and clearly.
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Post by: JDM on December 20, 2018, 11:53:21 AM
First off congratulations to all those working state championship games. My two cents. Referees, before flipping that mic on come to a complete stop and make sure you know what you are going to say and the proper signal and don't start walking away while still talking on the mic.
Don't start your sentence with "We have..."
Post by: clearwall on December 20, 2018, 09:39:29 PM
Post by: JasonTX on December 20, 2018, 09:51:50 PM
I'm worried about my crew chief. He does have a tendency to say "we have"
We trust you will set him straight and not say the following.
"We have encroachment on the defense." Doh, no you don't.
Post by: TexDoc on December 21, 2018, 07:48:35 AM
We trust you will set him straight and not say the following.
"We have encroachment on the defense." Doh, no you don't.
I'm watching the replay of the Canadian / Newton game, and apparently "encroachment" is now in the rule book. ;D
Post by: TxBJ on December 21, 2018, 09:32:49 AM
Post by: TexDoc on December 21, 2018, 10:07:15 AM
And the TD signal apparently works when announcing a safety. It is apparent some of these guys are very nervous working the big game and making announcements. But I might be the same way if it were me out there.
Yeah, he just had a brain fart. Happens.
Post by: JDM on December 21, 2018, 11:05:32 AM
Don't start your sentence with "We have..."
It was inevitible...
Post by: JDM on December 21, 2018, 11:06:48 AM
Yeah, he just had a "SENIOR MOMENT". Happens.
He actually looked pretty young. Regardless, it's all relative.
Post by: JasonTX on December 21, 2018, 11:16:52 AM
I'm watching the replay of the Canadian / Newton game, and apparently "encroachment" is now in the rule book. ;D
Apparently offside is a foul on the offense in the Cuero game. Wide receiver lined up in the neutral zone. That would be the time to announce encroachment.
Post by: TexDoc on December 21, 2018, 11:19:53 AM
Apparently offside is a foul on the offense in the Cuero game. Wide receiver lined up in the neutral zone. That would be the time to announce encroachment.
Not too sure there Jason. I'd just call it a neutral zone infraction.
Post by: JasonTX on December 21, 2018, 11:31:51 AM
Not too sure there Jason. I'd just call it a neutral zone infraction.2-18-1 and 7-1-3-c makes this encroachment.
Post by: TexDoc on December 21, 2018, 11:36:03 AM
Post by: TXPanhandle on December 21, 2018, 12:07:21 PM
Post by: JDM on December 21, 2018, 12:26:15 PM
Not too sure there Jason. I'd just call it a neutral zone infraction.
I believe NZI is NFL specific.
Post by: ElvisLives on December 21, 2018, 03:40:10 PM
I believe NZI is NFL specific.
Yes, but, unfortunately, we hear some FBS guys using that terminology. Before 2013, we were told "Hands to the Face" is not a foul description for NCAA ('continuous helmet contact' was correct). That got changed, and "Hands to the Face" now appears in the NCAA book, and is correct for NCAA. I suspect that 'neutral zone infraction' may soon appear. But, to me that is no better than "illegal procedure." What is that? Encroachment is specific (for Team A), and is different from offside (for Team B), which is also specific.
(Note: For many decades, 'encroachment' always applied to Team A, whether scrimmage or free kick, but Redding changed that soon after taking over, because the average fan doesn't understand "encroachment," but understands "offside." Sadly, we continue to allow the dumbing down of America. ::))
Robert
Post by: QAfta on December 22, 2018, 08:35:44 AM
I didn’t realize Groveton was playing today instead of Cuero. Timeout announcement stating “timeout Groveton”.
This is why I still say use colors. Then you don't have to remember what teams are playing and then what color are they...
Post by: ElvisLives on December 22, 2018, 10:01:15 AM
This is why I still say use colors. Then you don't have to remember what teams are playing and then what color are they...
ABSOLUTELY NOT. We simply have to be good enough to know the names of the teams we’re working. If we can’t do that, we don’t need to be there.
Robert
Post by: TXNCAARef on December 22, 2018, 02:54:18 PM
ABSOLUTELY NOT. We simply have to be good enough to know the names of the teams we’re working. If we can’t do that, we don’t need to be there.
Robert
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Post by: TxBJ on December 22, 2018, 03:55:51 PM
ABSOLUTELY NOT. We simply have to be good enough to know the names of the teams we’re working. If we can’t do that, we don’t need to be there.I agree on timeouts. However, R’s announcing the school name on fouls instead of offense, defense, etc. is a pet peeve of mine.
Robert
Post by: BuckShark on December 22, 2018, 04:01:29 PM
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Post by: ElvisLives on December 22, 2018, 04:46:37 PM
I agree on timeouts. However, R’s announcing the school name on fouls instead of offense, defense, etc. is a pet peeve of mine.
Totally agree. I was only talking about TOs, and a few other unusual situations, like, “The City High head coach is challenging the ruling on the field of a completed pass on the previous play. The previous play is under further review.” Or, more likely for day-to-day UIL, “City High has elected to receive the kickoff for the first half.” Those kinds of things.
But, for penalty announcements, offense, defense, kicking team, receiving team, fumbling team, passing team, return team (or intercepting team, but that’s just one more to remember, and return team applies for both fumbles and interceptions, so why complicate things?).
Do not use colors, Team A, Team B (heard that in an FBS game, once), or mascots, etc., for anything.
Robert
Post by: JasonTX on December 22, 2018, 05:16:45 PM
I agree on timeouts. However, R’s announcing the school name on fouls instead of offense, defense, etc. is a pet peeve of mine.
My skin crawls when R's announce, " Holding, Podunk High School #55, 10 yard penalty..."
Post by: TexDoc on December 22, 2018, 10:07:54 PM
Post by: JDM on December 22, 2018, 10:28:13 PM
Announcements should identify the teams as offense, defense, kicking team or receiving team.
Spot on, Doc.
Post by: ElvisLives on December 22, 2018, 10:59:17 PM
Both fouls occur on the offensive team. Would you announce, “There were fouls by both teams during the down. Illegal formation, offense. That penalty is declined. During the runback, illegal block below the waist, offense. 15 yard penalty. First down.”
That would be accurate, but quite confusing.
Accurate and clear would be, “There were fouls by both teams during the down. Illegal formation, passing team. That penalty is Declined. During the runback, illegal block below the waist, return team. 15 yard penalty. First down.”
Same reason we use kicking team / receiving team on kick downs (free or scrimmage).
Post by: TexDoc on December 23, 2018, 04:24:13 AM
Post by: TxSkyBolt on December 23, 2018, 09:57:23 AM
Robert, the teams are designated according to what they are at the snap for the purpose of announcing fouls. By saying, “there are two penalties, on the play; illegal formation by the offense, more than 4 players in the backfield at the snap; after the change of the possession, blocking below the waist by the defense; the defense will decline the illegal formation and keep the ball with the foul for blocking below the waist being from the spot of the foul (if that applies); first down” and point in the direction of the first down. That should be plenty clear. Then again, most of the placing I work with a mic don’t work well enough to even use. I know the one up there in Levelland didn’t work worth a darn. I gave up on it at half time.Actually by definition Offensive Team refers to the team in possession or the team the ball belongs to. So after an interception the former defense is now the offensive team. Robert’s announcement is the standard.
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Post by: ElvisLives on December 23, 2018, 10:29:33 AM
Robert, the teams are designated according to what they are at the snap for the purpose of announcing fouls. By saying, “there are two penalties, on the play; illegal formation by the offense, more than 4 players in the backfield at the snap; after the change of the possession, blocking below the waist by the defense; the defense will decline the illegal formation and keep the ball with the foul for blocking below the waist being from the spot of the foul (if that applies); first down” and point in the direction of the first down. That should be plenty clear. Then again, most of the placing I work with a mic don’t work well enough to even use. I know the one up there in Levelland didn’t work worth a darn. I gave up on it at half time.
Doc, that’s not quite correct. I apologize in advance for sounding patronizing, but I don’t know of a better way than to offer the following explanation:
By rule, teams are designated A and B when the ball is ready for the next down (free kick or snap), and those designations don’t change during the down. But whichever team is in possession of the ball is always offense, and the opponent is always defense, and those designations can change during the down. At the opening kickoff, for example, the kicking Team is Team A, and when they kick the ball they are in possession of the ball, so they are the offense, and the receiving team is the defense. When Team B - the receiving team - catches/recovers the kick, they are in possession, so they are the offense, and the kicking team is the defense, at that time. This is important, because rules are different for the offense versus the defense.
For scrimmage downs, when Team A maintains possession of the ball during the down, it is appropriate, and best, to use “offense” and “defense” during penalty announcements. But, for free kick downs and scrimmage downs during which team possession (thus, offense and defense) changes, it is not appropriate to use “offense” and “defense” with penalty announcements. Appropriate is kicking team/receiving team, passing team/fumbling team, and return team (or intercepting team, as I mentioned previously).
Things get complicated when there are multiple changes of possession. In those cases, it can become more efficient and effective to use actual team names. Thankfully, those are very unusual, if not rare.
By the way, we should use the term “fouls,” not “penalties,” when describing multiple foul situations, e.g, “There were fouls by both teams during the down,” or, “There were two fouls during the down.”
If I were king, we’d have referee’s mics at all UIL stadiums, and they’d be lapel type, with interrupter switches, just like at all NCAA and NFL venues, professionally installed to eliminate feedback. It ain’t that difficult or expensive.
Robert
Post by: Etref on December 23, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Also I notice during the announcements some R’s had the wing close to assist with numbers, etc. with multiple fouls you should always have him close to call out the numbers and assist