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Football Officiating => Texas Topics => Topic started by: dammitbobby on December 10, 2023, 07:42:32 PM

Title: Drop Kicks
Post by: dammitbobby on December 10, 2023, 07:42:32 PM
Drop kicks in six man are a relatively rare occurrence, but they do happen.

2-16-3:   A drop kick is a kick by a player who drops the ball and kicks it as it touches the ground.

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/4215363/5a6a619564e9500e44543245

Are these legal drop kicks? I have an opinion but want to see what others think.
Title: Re: Drop Kicks
Post by: ElvisLives on December 10, 2023, 07:53:56 PM
All legal.
Title: Re: Drop Kicks
Post by: ETXZebra on December 10, 2023, 08:19:27 PM
Absolutely legal.
Title: Re: Drop Kicks
Post by: JBall on December 10, 2023, 08:25:00 PM
Did he send that to you or did you get it from another official.  They are not common but do happen and freak you out the first time you see that in a game if you didn't seem them practice kicking.
Title: Re: Drop Kicks
Post by: dammitbobby on December 10, 2023, 08:39:03 PM
Did he send that to you or did you get it from another official.  They are not common but do happen and freak you out the first time you see that in a game if you didn't seem them practice kicking.

Pulled from a six man site.  I've actually had one before a few years ago; my question was if the kick was simultaneous with the ground; at least one looks there is a definite pause; just wanted to see what others thought.
Title: Re: Drop Kicks
Post by: Etref on December 11, 2023, 09:30:50 AM
Once had an 8th grader make a drop kick in a 6 man sub varsity game!

Title: Re: Drop Kicks
Post by: skeeter on December 11, 2023, 12:32:12 PM
All legal.

even the drop kick on the kickoff?
Title: Re: Drop Kicks
Post by: JBall on December 11, 2023, 12:36:09 PM
even the drop kick on the kickoff?

Kickoff
ARTICLE 6. A kickoff is a free kick that starts each half and follows each try
or successful field goal attempt (Exception: In extra periods). It must be a place
kick or a drop kick.
Title: Re: Drop Kicks
Post by: Kalle on December 11, 2023, 01:13:31 PM
I would not nitpick on the language "as it touches the ground" - if it is an obvious drop kick attempt and not just a really badly mistimed punt, I'd make it legal. The ones on the video look fine to me.
Title: Re: Drop Kicks
Post by: ElvisLives on December 11, 2023, 01:59:03 PM
even the drop kick on the kickoff?

Were you questioning the legality of using a drop kick to put the ball in play on free kick? Or, were you questioning the legality of the kick, itself? JBall provided the answer for the use of a drop kick on a free kick. Kalle and I both agree that the actual kick is legal. In ALL of those video examples, I did not see a significant rise of the ball from the ground before it was kicked.  All good.
Title: Re: Drop Kicks
Post by: JBall on December 11, 2023, 02:09:46 PM
I would not nitpick on the language "as it touches the ground" - if it is an obvious drop kick attempt and not just a really badly mistimed punt, I'd make it legal. The ones on the video look fine to me.

I agree not that I am normally the one watching it as long as it's not bouncing twice I would try to make it legal. 
Title: Re: Drop Kicks
Post by: Legacy Zebra on December 11, 2023, 02:11:31 PM
Agree here that all of these are legal.

This is what we DONT want. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egn7psdO8gY
Title: Re: Drop Kicks
Post by: Kalle on December 12, 2023, 12:57:55 AM
This is what we DONT want. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egn7psdO8gY

Yeah, even I agree that this is not legal :)
Title: Re: Drop Kicks
Post by: Ralph Damren on December 12, 2023, 02:09:27 PM
Yeah, even I agree that this is not legal :)
We also DON"T want this....Back around 2000-2003 I was on the Editorial Committee. We handled challanging/stupid questions that came from around our Nation. This one came.....

(1) Hans tee's up the ball so that it will topple off tee;
(2) Hans picks up the ball and asks Lefty, while pitching the ball to him. to hold it on the tee;
(3) A Hans repaces his steps, Lefty spins around and drop kicks the free kick ;
(4) R players watch as K recovers the onside kick.

COACH : "LEGAL ,HUH, JUST LIKE A QUICK SNAP  yEs: yEs: !."
ESPONSE: "Sounds more like the unfair act, 'actions or verbage designed to confuse the opponents into believe there is a problem with a spap or kick  isn't imminent is beyond sportsmenship. The kick would be dead and repeated from K'25."

Coach was concerned that Hans had been practicing teeing the ball so it would fall off all summer.It was suggested that he introduced Hans to America  FlAg1
Title: Re: Drop Kicks
Post by: JBall on December 12, 2023, 02:15:25 PM
We also DON"T wasnt this....Back around 2000-2003 I was on the Editorial Committee. We handled challanging/stupid questions that around our Nation. This one came.....

(1) Hans tee's up the ball so that it will topple off tee;
(2) Hans picks up the ball and asks Lefty, while pitching the ball to him. to hold it on the tee;
(3) A Hans repaces his steps, Lefty spins around and drop kicks the free kick ;
(4) R players watch as K recovers the onside kick.

COACH : "LEGAL ,HUH, JUST LIKE A QUICK SNAP  yEs: yEs: !."
ESPONSE: "Sounds more like the unfair act, 'actions or verbage designed to confuse the opponents into believe there is a problemand a spap or kick  isn't imminent is beyond sportsmenship. The kick would be dead and repeated from K'25."

Coach was concerned that Hans had been practicing teeing the ball so it would fall off all summer.It was suggested that he introduced Hans to America  FlAg1

Clever if only coaches would put this much time and effort into learning the rules and coaching their players up.  They all want to be cute instead learn the game teach the game play the game.
Title: Re: Drop Kicks
Post by: Williams on December 12, 2023, 03:57:10 PM
Doug Flutie did a drop kick extra point for the Patriots in his last pro game.  I think it was the 2005 season.
Title: Re: Drop Kicks
Post by: Kalle on December 13, 2023, 12:45:21 AM
ESPONSE: "Sounds more like the unfair act, 'actions or verbage designed to confuse the opponents into believe there is a problemand a spap or kick  isn't imminent is beyond sportsmenship. The kick would be dead and repeated from K'25."

In NCAA nowadays we have it easy, this would be a simple 6-1-2-a foul, five yards, ball remains dead.