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Title: Targeting ?
Post by: TXMike on September 19, 2010, 02:55:55 PM
This one is creating some "talk" among college fans down here. 

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Title: Re: Targeting ?
Post by: TxSkyBolt on September 19, 2010, 04:05:47 PM
Appears that the contact is from defenders shoulder to the chest of the offensive receiver.  At full speed probably looked pretty egregious.


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Brad
Title: Re: Targeting ?
Post by: Welpe on September 19, 2010, 04:09:23 PM
Looks like he did get him in the chest but with that many flags down, it must have looked pretty bad.
Title: Re: Targeting ?
Post by: 110 on September 19, 2010, 04:59:45 PM
I'm wondering if there was some prior complaining? This seems soft.
Title: Re: Targeting ?
Post by: Etref on September 19, 2010, 07:11:01 PM
The flags were a little late. I think his mannerism after the hit had more to do with them thinking targeting that the actual hit.  Perception if reality.
Title: Re: Targeting ?
Post by: NVFOA_Ump on September 20, 2010, 08:01:32 AM
No question this is a foul.  Defender glances at pass going long then lines up the receiver and makes a big hit shoulder high.  IMO a foul 100% of the time based on current emphasis for protection of defenseless players.  No need for this kind of hit when its very clear that the ball is long gone and not even close to being in the possession of the A player.
Title: Re: Targeting ?
Post by: secondeagle on September 20, 2010, 09:50:09 AM
If this is the play I think it is, check out the player that got hit and his name. The crew did not want to get banned from ESPN. Ha This is tongue in cheek, so noone take offense.
Title: Re: Targeting ?
Post by: The Roamin' Umpire on September 20, 2010, 12:34:33 PM
The first flag comes from the line judge, who has just about the same look that we do from the original angle. At full speed, looks an awful lot like helmet to helmet - the defender's head even dips a bit at impact.

The end zone shot clearly shows that the hit was with arm and shoulder; I would have thought it was not a foul, but all three deep officials also had flags on it, so it's pretty clear that the NCAA wants this call.

This actually brings up another point - there were FOUR flags for the same infraction on this play. I know it was right in the sweet spot for 7-man mechanics, but is anybody else wondering who's watching the rest of the field?
Title: Re: Targeting ?
Post by: TxBJ on September 20, 2010, 02:14:13 PM
All eyes (except U and R) go to ball when thrown, then back to zone after catch. That is why so many saw it.
Title: Re: Targeting ?
Post by: jrfath on September 20, 2010, 10:50:26 PM
I would say this is more of a late hit personal foul than "targeting".  The ball is rolling 9 yards down field when the actual hit occurs.
Title: Re: Targeting ?
Post by: sj on September 20, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
I would say this is more of a late hit personal foul than "targeting".  The ball is rolling 9 yards down field when the actual hit occurs.

I'd agree. 9-1-2-f
Title: Re: Targeting ?
Post by: NVFOA_Ump on September 21, 2010, 12:36:09 PM
I would say this is more of a late hit personal foul than "targeting".  The ball is rolling 9 yards down field when the actual hit occurs.

Maybe we'll get some "official" word on this since the rulebook indicates that all targeting calls where the offender is not DQ'd must be reviewed for possible further sanctions sometime after the game and before the next game.  Not sure who actually does that "review" (the conference?) but it is in the book.

From Section 9.5.6:  Initiating Contact/Targeting an Opponent
ARTICLE 2. When there is a foul called for initiating contact/targeting an opponent (Rule 9-1-3) that does not result in a player disqualification, there shall automatically be a video review by the conference for possible additional sanctions before the next scheduled game.
Title: Re: Targeting ?
Post by: TXMike on September 27, 2010, 09:02:47 PM
The play made Dave Parry's Accountability Video released today.

His comment:
"Deep officials - Good call for a high hit on a defenseless receiver"
Title: Re: Targeting ?
Post by: Sonofanump on September 28, 2010, 09:32:47 AM
This actually brings up another point - there were FOUR flags for the same infraction on this play. I know it was right in the sweet spot for 7-man mechanics, but is anybody else wondering who's watching the rest of the field?

Deep guys are taught to look at the direction of the ball and off our keys once the ball is thrown. 

The backside short wing would have most of the off play activity.