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Football Officiating => Texas Topics => Topic started by: Arbitrator on October 06, 2010, 07:30:35 AM
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To Timmons: What preeminently qualifies you over all others to be the Director of Officiating at the UIL? How many other people to your knowledge actually interviewed for your job before you were chosen? z^
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Getting your questions ready for the 18th? :)
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If the UIL and TASO want to co-exist like the UIL proclaims, will they give us representation on the UIL Legislative council?
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Can you please explain, in detail, the UIL Officials Department and how that is meant to benefit officials in Texas when TASO has been performing those same functions for years?
The Officials Department contains a Code of Ethics. One of the violations of the Code of Ethics is failure to cooperate with the UIL. This is vague and worrisome. Who will determine if the official failed to cooperate? Who will decide the punishment? What recourse will officials have?
What guarantees do we as officials have that the UIL will not raid our dues money to cover shortfalls in other areas?
How on earth will your proposed system benefit officials?
There was a recent article in the Austin American Statesman regarding the 7 million dollars spent for steroid testing and how it has mostly been a complete waste of money. In fact, the article states the UIL's budget for steroid testing will be slashed to $750k. Given this, how can officials trust the UIL with their annual dues, potentially exceeding $600k annually?
TASO board of directors have fiduciary obligations to TASO members. These fiduciary obligations, if violated, can come with legal repercussions. In your position with the UIL, who's interests are you primarily obligated to look out for?
Will the UIL force officials to buy gear from certain vendors?
Why is the UIL purchasing rulebooks for $3 and reselling them for $5 to officials?
More college and professional athletes hail from the State of Texas than any other state. Why the hell would you mess with that?
Mr. Fitch, The lawsuit saved each official in the state $50 last year. Is it true that each officials share of the legal expenses for that is about $4?
Why did you tell coaches last year that the Austin Chapter is not a chapter in good standing and therefore could not work any playoff games? What reassurances do we have that this sort of vindictiveness will not repeat itself?
That's a start. I have many more if anybody thinks these are any good.
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Why do just the sports officials have to register and not the UIL debate judges, Current Issues and Events judges, Band Judges, along with other UIL officials. I am also a Debate teacher and would love for there to be a way for debate judges to be held accountable and consistent throughout the state. Why is the UIL not extending the same courtesy to my students as they are students that participate in athletics?
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What does "accountability" mean to you?
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This one piggy-backs on TXMike's:
Does the UIL have a written "Due Process" procedure statement? If so, where is located on the UIL web site?
I hope I worded that correctly.
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Mr. Timmons,
The UIL has taken the position that a chapter can be TASO affiliated or UIL affiliated. Yet you told the Houston basketball chapter that UIL chapters would receive preference.* In addition, you said, “I’m here to represent those who are here for me.”* Why would a UIL chapter receive preference?
You tube video #6 minute 8:40 - 9:10
Yes, I've actually sat and watched the speech. No, I did not throw up. Yes, I debated jumping out the window.
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Mr. Timmons: Why the deadline for football in the middle of the season?
Mr. Timmons: If TASO goes away who will do the training? What training modules do you specifically have now for football?
Mr. Timmons: Who in the heck are you going to get to work all of your week 10 games if UIL locks out the officials.
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Mr. Timmons,
The UIL has taken the position that a chapter can be TASO affiliated or UIL affiliated. Yet you told the Houston basketball chapter that UIL chapters would receive preference.* In addition, you said, “I’m here to represent those who are here for me.”* Why would a UIL chapter receive preference?
You tube video #6 minute 8:40 - 9:10
Yes, I've actually sat and watched the speech. No, I did not throw up. Yes, I debated jumping out the window.
Seeing it in person was quite the experience.
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Mr. Timmons: In previous meetings you have talked about a board for each sport. Is there anything in writing what their duties are? And if the board enacts a policy do you have to follow it?
Mr. Fitch: What has TASO done to help with the accountability issue, besides remind UIL that coaches can always scratch an official? And is their any talk about using technology to help the situation (i.e. video conferencing)?
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Mr. Timmons - During the recent TASO/UIL meeting you made a commitment to issue a joint statement with Mike Fitch. Why didn't it happen as agreed to?
Mr. Timmons - During the recent TASO/UIL meeting you agreed to send a copy of the audio recording of that meeting to Mike Fitch. Have you done that yet?
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Mr. Timmons; What was the turning point in getting all these officials registered? Today alone, it has doubled!! Great job boss, keep up the good work!!!!
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Mr. Timmons; What was the turning point in getting all these officials registered? Today alone, it has doubled!! Great job boss, keep up the good work!!!!
And how many of those do you think are legitimate registrations? From what I gather that a lot of folks realize you can register to see the list and have created bogus registrations so they can see the list. They will be lucky if only 200 of those are legitimate.
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Jason;
Its real son, when you can click on their name and see their face, its real. Plus, I'm loving the fact that I'm seeing some crew chiefs from Dallas, Austin and Houston getting on board. Great job guys!!!!
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ornery you have no idea whats happening in your world much less what is happening in Austin. Fish your own pond we can handle our decision
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Ballhog;
Just speaking the truth. Sorry but the truth don't lie. Just wondering if Bud Alexander knows that a bunch of his American Southwest guys are also registering by the car loads. Hmmm guess he didnt tell the boys. Stigliano would be proud of his boys also, they are jumping at the chance to be part of the UIL.
Look the names up, if you see a picture, its probably them.
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Mr. Timmons; What was the turning point in getting all these officials registered? Today alone, it has doubled!! Great job boss, keep up the good work!!!!
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Hey, Nostradumbus/Ornery! Just pack it on down to Houston on a Greyhound on the 18th for the big meeting there! Then you can either help commiserate by offering support for your boss, namely the :!# Dancing Monkey, or you can get yourself a big bag of peanuts and hurl one at him everytime he attempts to dance the "sidestep!" Oh! And a big P.S. : You better start getting more than just a tad concerned about all those 'massive' TASO defections over to the UIL~ Lord only knows that if that trend were to continue, it may very well shoot you flat out of the saddle on all of those three-game UIL playoff weekends that you've been busy lathering over! z^
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Mr. Timmons; What was the turning point in getting all these officials registered? Today alone, it has doubled!! Great job boss, keep up the good work!!!!
Hey Ornery,
Have Joe and Angie signed up yet?
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Ballhog;
Just speaking the truth. Sorry but the truth don't lie. Just wondering if Bud Alexander knows that a bunch of his American Southwest guys are also registering by the car loads. Hmmm guess he didnt tell the boys. Stigliano would be proud of his boys also, they are jumping at the chance to be part of the UIL.
Look the names up, if you see a picture, its probably them.
Same answer, you have not a clue about who is a crew chief in Austin. Go back to soliciting play off games that is something you know about.....
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To FITCH:
TASO supporters have been quick to note that UIL has no infrastructure to provide training, by laws, and many other items necessary for a successful organization. However, I have yet to receive as much as a membership card from TASO this year and the website is a joke when utilized for training or recruiting purposes. How does TASO think it can provide these items when it can't even provide the easiest things necessary for an organization (membership cards - pay to update a website)?
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Perhaps you have a chapter issue on the card as we have ours here. As for the website, I think TASO will the first to say the website was never designed to be a training tool, although it has had some limited usefulness in that regard. It was designed for other purposes. I trust the new website that is coming is developed with more of a training focus in mind.
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Perhaps you have a chapter issue on the card as we have ours here. As for the website, I think TASO will the first to say the website was never designed to be a training tool, although it has had some limited usefulness in that regard. It was designed for other purposes. I trust the new website that is coming is developed with more of a training focus in mind.
Thank You Mr. Fitch. Your response was much appreciated.
At some point, the Democrats are going to have to stop blaming Bush for their problems - to be quite honest, the public is getting tired of it an sees thru it.
At some point, TASO is going to have to quit blaming the local chapters for their problems - to be quite honest, the membership is getting tired of it and sees thru it.
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If the Chapters have the cards and have not distributed how is that a TASO-state issue?
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We have our cards.
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Mr. Timmons: What will your role and duties be once TASO wins the temporary injunction hearing?
Mr. Timmons: If this is all for the better of high school sports and officiating in general, wouldn't both be better off without you in a supervisory role? I ask this, because your involvement in this whole ordeal has greatly increased the animosity, mistrust, and disdain a lot of officials currently feel towards the UIL.
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Mr. Timmons: If this is all for the better of high school sports and officiating in general, wouldn't both be better off without you in a supervisory role? I ask this, because your involvement in this whole ordeal has greatly increased the animosity, mistrust, and disdain a lot of officials currently feel towards the UIL.
This has been one of the major issues. Tact could have gone a long way.
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Mr. Timmons: If this is all for the better of high school sports and officiating in general, wouldn't both be better off without you in a supervisory role? I ask this, because your involvement in this whole ordeal has greatly increased the animosity, mistrust, and disdain a lot of officials currently feel towards the UIL.
This has been one of the major issues. Tact could have gone a long way.
-- If this is how he is in recruiting, imagine how he will be as a "boss."
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Quote from: Getting Fat on Today at 10:10:32 AM
Mr. Timmons: If this is all for the better of high school sports and officiating in general, wouldn't both be better off without you in a supervisory role? I ask this, because your involvement in this whole ordeal has greatly increased the animosity, mistrust, and disdain a lot of officials currently feel towards the UIL.
This has been one of the major issues. Tact could have gone a long way.
-- If this is how he is in recruiting, imagine how he will be as a "boss."
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I question both his meager experience and his severe lack of tact. As far as UIL salesmanship skills are concerned, I don't exactly think that he or anyone else in a leadership capacity over there on Manor Road would even be remotely capable of selling prostitutes on a troop train! z^
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We got ours 2 weeks ago.
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To FITCH:
TASO supporters have been quick to note that UIL has no infrastructure to provide training, by laws, and many other items necessary for a successful organization. However, I have yet to receive as much as a membership card from TASO this year and the website is a joke when utilized for training or recruiting purposes. How does TASO think it can provide these items when it can't even provide the easiest things necessary for an organization (membership cards - pay to update a website)?
We have our cards as well. Of all the complaints I have seen you post about TASO, none of them seem to be a problem with other chapters. It appears your own chapter is lacking in some areas but that is no fault to TASO. Those faults will not change under the UIL leadership. My chapter takes care of its own training. Each chapter has 1 or 2 members who received material from TASO to assist them in chapter training. Other chapters have done a better job than others with regards to a website that is utilized for training. Chapter leadership needs to handle all these issues at the local level.
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and that won't change if the UIL does at some point "take over".
At least from everything I have read or listened to, it would appear that the onus will still be on the local chapters for training, etc. The resources that are available to the BB officials that are UIL members now is from NFHS, not UIL.
I agree, there could be a lot of information that could be routed through the TASO website, some of that information has been posted on the blog site, but it is still up to the local chapters for training, etc. I also thought that the new website was going to be rolling out after the testing was over. I suppose now it will be after the voting is over. :-X
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To FITCH:
TASO supporters have been quick to note that UIL has no infrastructure to provide training, by laws, and many other items necessary for a successful organization. However, I have yet to receive as much as a membership card from TASO this year and the website is a joke when utilized for training or recruiting purposes. How does TASO think it can provide these items when it can't even provide the easiest things necessary for an organization (membership cards - pay to update a website)?
we got cards 2 weeks ago here.
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No Cards here... But I never figured out what the card did for me any way.
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Gentleman we know yall cant agree on everything but is there anything you have agreed on that could be considered a positive.
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No Cards here... But I never figured out what the card did for me any way.
It got me in a state championship game last year. In fact, it got me and my daughter into two playoff games last season. Most every place accepts them as passes. I'd like to believe that it's out of respect! ;D
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Would like to ask Mr. Timmons, why the UIL now adds $2 per rule book as a profit for them costing our members an additional $50K for rule and case books.
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It got me in a state championship game last year. In fact, it got me and my daughter into two playoff games last season. Most every place accepts them as passes. I'd like to believe that it's out of respect! ;D
Thats a great deal... Now I want my card.
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I'm thinking a TASO card is not gonna get you in to very many games this post-season. ;) Maybe that will be another bribe the UIL can offer guys to get registrations.
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yEs: pray:;
If they do that, I'm in! That is all I have been waiting for!
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THIS JUST IN!
The scheduled meeting in Houston for Monday evening, October 18th at the Campbell Center where Timmons and Fitch were supposed to address the membership of the Houston TASO Football Chapter has summarily been cancelled.
So please put your questions for them temporarily on ice for some possible future engagement! It now appears that the next set of questions will be coming from the litigators! z^
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Would like to ask Mr. Timmons, why the UIL now adds $2 per rule book as a profit for them costing our members an additional $50K for rule and case books.
Hmmmm that $2 would a constitute a resale and make the entire purchase subject to sales tax...... I wonder if they have filed their sales tax forms
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Hmmmm that $2 would a constitute a resale and make the entire purchase subject to sales tax...... I wonder if they have filed their sales tax forms
Ohh what a tangled web we weave.........................................
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Ohh what a tangled web we weave.........................................
Well it took the IRS to get Capone, I see the irony.
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Mr. Timmons:
In closely examining the Registered UIL Officials List on your organization's website, you have indicated that, in addition to basketball, you are also a baseball, softball, as well as a football official. What is your TASO officiating experience, most notably in football, and what actual TASO leadership positions in the State or at the local level have you had in that particular sport; and if so, what TASO Chapter(s) did you actually belong to or have membership in? If you would answer that, we'd be most appreciative of it! If not, then perhaps someone with a working knowledge of that information would be happy to volunteer it on here for you!
In any event, I find it rather interesting that you're only registered in the above sports, but have not done so in the UIL posted areas of Volleyball, Wrestling, Track and Field, and Swimming and Diving. As an appointed "leader" in the UIL, wouldn't it be most appropriate for you to actually register in those sports as well, as not to give the undue impression of causing possible consternation and mistrust amongst your UIL registered minions? z^
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Mr. Timmons:
In closely examining the Registered UIL Officials List on your organization's website, you have indicated that, in addition to basketball, you are also a baseball, softball, as well as a football official.
Pahahahahahahahahahaha!
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Mr. Fitch,
Now that you'll not have Charlie Little as the TASO FB President, how does that affect your plan going forward?
Do you plan to address the membership's questions on finances?
Since most of the Fort Worth Board is "registered", how do you plan on going forward with that Chapter?
Do you plan on "exposing" any of the sins of the past for chapter officials that keep all the games "assigned" to their chapter for themselves, while telling their members that there weren't any games? (Read Tyler, Waco and Permian Basin chapters here.)
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Do you plan on "exposing" any of the sins of the past for chapter officials that keep all the games "assigned" to their chapter for themselves, while telling their members that there weren't any games? (Read Tyler, Waco and Permian Basin chapters here.)
Very Interesting......that sounds a lot like the FW Chapter Assigning Secretary.
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As for game assignments, if we are to believe UIL (and I know that is a stretch), the future will see Chapters still doing assigmmnents as they do today so i am not sure those of you who are so concerned over how a Chapter does game assignments will see a change, with or without the UIL. At the end of the day, if you don't trust the folks you have elected into "leadership" positions in your local chapter, you are going to be frustrated, UIL or not.
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As for game assignments, if we are to believe UIL (and I know that is a stretch), the future will see Chapters still doing assigmmnents as they do today so i am not sure those of you who are so concerned over how a Chapter does game assignments will see a change, with or without the UIL. At the end of the day, if you don't trust the folks you have elected into "leadership" positions in your local chapter, you are going to be frustrated, UIL or not.
The current system does supply a remedy: Vote them out of office.
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And if we are to believe UIL that option will also be available in UIL Chapters. Would not be able to vote out the UIL state office folks but could allegedly boot your local folks.