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Football Officiating => Texas Topics => Topic started by: TXMike on October 12, 2010, 06:10:07 PM
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As I pointed out earlier, I did not think the Nov 1 "deadline" was really that. This was confirmed in a message from the UIL to coaches today. They have told coaches officials may continue to register AFTER Nov 1
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up until when? Nov 5? November 12th if requested for a playoff game?
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Apparently they don't say but it reportedly the tone of the memo is that they fully expect to have issues and remind coaches that using non-UIL officials makes them subject to sanction (unspecified exactly what). Also gives them a point of contact should they have trouble finding "UIL registered Officials."
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UIL speak with fork tongue many times before. Why this be different now Kemo Sabe?
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Great point! Although this would be something very difficult for them to deal with if Nov 4 comes along and a guy who has a game on Friday the 5th finally gives in to the pressure from his crew and chapter and registers. The chapter would surely "let" him work the game as would the schools. Wopuld be hard for UIL to do anything about that.
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Just a thought but was 1204 not changed as well to include sub varsity work??
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I believe you are correct..................................didn't want to work that damn 3 game set anyway......
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Clearly UIL put lots of thought into what they are doing. This is the latest they have had to issue in light of the mass confusion they are causing.
All Volleyball Officials:
To all the volleyball officials who previously received the email regarding the October 13th registration date email, please read carefully. Although UIL’s regional and state volleyball tournaments do not occur until after November 1, 2010, selection of tournament officials from the top 25% lists submitted by the chapters, is being conducted now in order to ensure that there is adequate time to secure travel arrangements necessary for those selected to officiate. Local officiating chapters are welcome to nominate officials in their chapters for selection, per UIL and chapter guidelines.
The amendment to section 1204 of the UIL contest rules, which requires that officials assigned to playoffs be registered with the UIL, is scheduled to go into effect November 1, 2010. Because the nomination and selection of volleyball tournament officials is taking place prior to November 1, 2010, registration with UIL is NOT required in order to be nominated or selected as a tournament official.
Those selected to act as tournament officials should be made aware, however, that on or after November 1, 2010, only those officials who are registered with the UIL in compliance with section 1204 will be permitted to officiate UIL tournament contests that occur on or after that date.
Sincerely,
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Tony Timmons
UIL Director of Officials
512-471-5883
ttimmons@austin.utexas.edu
www.uil.utexas.edu
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Man he is like a cat in a litter box!
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PS--The "wink-wink" method will be used, so despite the fact that my legal department forced me to send out this memo, you can bet your BUTT that you won't be selected if you are not registered on the day that I make the picks final.
Sincerely,
TT
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How much time do you think the UIL office is spending on officiating issues now as opposed to before all of this started? I wonder if they ever imagined it would take so much effort, money and time.
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Certainly they have a lot less time to vist some beautiful ranch out in West Texas. ;D
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Certainly they have a lot less time to vist some beautiful ranch out in West Texas. ;D
LOL LOL LOL LOL
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Certainly they have a lot less time to vist some beautiful ranch out in West Texas. ;D
Yeah, and right here in the gaping maw of deer season, too!
Oh, what a wicked web we weave, when we plot...to deceive.
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Doesn't anyone wonder why the other Texas universities have not put in for a piece of the UIL? Why only UT-Austin? Because the building is IN Austin? I'm sure UT gets a cut of the UIL's "profits". You would have thought when the courts decided that the UIL was a "state" agency, they would question the UT-Austin relationship, but no one has brought that issue up.
Remember all the trouble they had when they were adding teams to the football state championships? Lots of uproar but they got what they wanted. It's almost like coaches, superintendents and just the general public is afraid of the UIL, thus giving them the "untouchable" attitude they demonstrate.
And from talking to coaches, the THSCA is staying out of it. They only get involved when it's pertaining to "football" and with little coming from them on this, I'd say they don't really care either way.
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I agree, Gal.
I wonder if THSCA will become interested if UIL sends 1 reg official and 4 converted officials from other sports to work a week 10 or playoff game and the game gets botched? How many games are there during week 10?
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Doesn't anyone wonder why the other Texas universities have not put in for a piece of the UIL? Why only UT-Austin? Because the building is IN Austin? I'm sure UT gets a cut of the UIL's "profits". You would have thought when the courts decided that the UIL was a "state" agency, they would question the UT-Austin relationship, but no one has brought that issue up.
Remember all the trouble they had when they were adding teams to the football state championships? Lots of uproar but they got what they wanted. It's almost like coaches, superintendents and just the general public is afraid of the UIL, thus giving them the "untouchable" attitude they demonstrate.
And from talking to coaches, the THSCA is staying out of it. They only get involved when it's pertaining to "football" and with little coming from them on this, I'd say they don't really care either way.
Yeah, I would rather be taken advantage of by Aggies than T-sippers!
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Yeah, I would rather be taken advantage of by Aggies than T-sippers!
I'm with you, RickWts! Beat the hell outta the UIL!
--GWK, '78
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I'm with you, RickWts! Beat the hell outta the UIL!
--GWK, '78
WHOOP!
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I'm with you, RickWts! Beat the hell outta the UIL!
--GWK, '78
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GWK: Are you saying that you are an Aggie from the proud class of '78? Well so is my wife! And my son, I might add, is there right now as a member of the 2012 class!. I graduated from a Louisiana Cow College(McNeese State) in '74 and catch hell from from my Aggie family members on a continuous basis! All of the maroon in my closet is wife and son issued standard equipment and in order to keep the peace, I had better not be caught out of proper attire!
So why can't we just get the THSCA to "dis" the UIL, and join TASO, as well as other interested entities(namely legislators) in requesting the abolition of the UIL in Austin, and moving the whole ball of wax over to Aggieland? A&M would be more than proud to house the new organization!
Now that's not exactly to say that they can't leave the tiphat: Good UIL Dr. with something that he can oversee, perhaps like band competition, speech, debate, and one-act plays. And maybe Good Time Charlie can then keep his :!# Dancing Monkey employed by having him head up UIL theatrics! How appropriate! z^
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GWK: Are you saying that you are an Aggie from the proud class of '78? Well so is my wife! And my son, I might add, is there right now as a member of the 2012 class!. I graduated from a Louisiana Cow College(McNeese State) in '74 and catch hell from from my Aggie family members on a continuous basis! All of the maroon in my closet is wife and son issued standard equipment and in order to keep the peace, I had better not be caught out of proper attire!
So why can't we just get the THSCA to "dis" the UIL, and join TASO, as well as other interested entities(namely legislators) in requesting the abolition of the UIL in Austin, and moving the whole ball of wax over to Aggieland? A&M would be more than proud to house the new organization!
Now that's not exactly to say that they can't leave the tiphat: Good UIL Dr. with something that he can oversee, perhaps like band competition, speech, debate, and one-act plays. And maybe Good Time Charlie can then keep his :!# Dancing Monkey employed by having him head up UIL theatrics! How appropriate! z^
Kimmel, it never ceases to amaze me of how jealous you are of Dr. B and Tony. I know that they are so much younger and powerful than you ever were and with you being at the end of your football career, I guess it makes it easier for you to accept retirement by doing all your name calling. Its OK, life will go on without your sorry old cranky BUTT. Get your rocker out, PawPaw!!!!!
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Kimmel, it never ceases to amaze me of how jealous you are of Dr. B and Tony. I know that they are so much younger and powerful than you ever were and with you being at the end of your football career, I guess it makes it easier for you to accept retirement by doing all your name calling. Its OK, life will go on without your sorry old cranky BUTT. Get your rocker out, PawPaw!!!!!
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If it ultimately comes to it, I'll be most happy to do just that rather than to ally myself alongside the likes of folks like you! Jealous of the tiphat: Good UIL Dr. and his :!# Strutting Simian? Not quite! Just calling them out on their being so underqualified to take over football, as neither one would know the shape of a football if given a multiple-choice question on a test. And it is all too apparent that they are justly doing their jobs by attracting the uneducated and unsophisticated folks much like yourself!
So if the new UIL order of high school football officiating leadership is inclusive of the aforementioned folks, as well as officiating trollops like yourself, then I'll gladly take to my rocking chair and just be happy to call it a day! But I would never pretend to prostitute myself for just a smattering of playoff games just to promote the UIL's sordid agenda! And like the vast majority of TASO loyalists, I'm just going to wait to see if the Federal Court Restraining Order is forthcoming and reinstated! z^
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GWK: Are you saying that you are an Aggie from the proud class of '78? Well so is my wife! And my son, I might add, is there right now as a member of the 2012 class!. I graduated from a Louisiana Cow College(McNeese State) in '74 and catch hell from from my Aggie family members on a continuous basis! All of the maroon in my closet is wife and son issued standard equipment and in order to keep the peace, I had better not be caught out of proper attire!
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You know your Aggie nomenclature. The answer is yes, class of '78. Wife is class of 80. Brothers were Aggie Band drum majors of '82. #2 son is most recent class of '10, daughter will graduate next spring, class of '11. But my oldest son is a t.u. graduate and has recently left Google to start a new company in silicon valley. Texas at Austin was excellent for him, so I suppose that you could say that I go both ways!
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Apparently the Tyler Soccer Chapter has gone over. And they even provide a nice study guide for the UIL certification exam:
http://tylertaso.com/uil-quiz
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Apparently the Tyler Soccer Chapter has gone over. And they even provide a nice study guide for the UIL certification exam:
http://tylertaso.com/uil-quiz
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Well ain't that special! But I would think that they should select someone in their membership who could possibly spell correctly, or use proper English. They must be getting English/Spelling lessons from the :bOW "El Presidente" of the Houston UIL Basketball Chapter~ the tiphat: Good UIL Dr.'s protege! z^
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Well ain't that special! But I would think that they should select someone in their membership wqho could possibly spell correctly, or use proper English. They must be getting English/Spelling lessons from the :bOW "El Presidente" of the Houston UIL Basketball Chapter~ the tiphat: Good UIL Dr.'s protege! z^
Well I guess it is safe to say that you won't be the person they hire for their spelling lessons!! pi1eOn
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Well I guess it is safe to say that you won't be the person they hire for their spelling lessons!! pi1eOn
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HoustonUmp: You just seem to have more fun than the law will allow! I visited with my publisher and they gave me their profound apologies for the misnomer and took pains-taking efforts to make the correction. They said that's what usually happens when you type without wearing your eyeglasses! z^
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Apparently the Tyler Soccer Chapter has gone over. And they even provide a nice study guide for the UIL certification exam:
http://tylertaso.com/uil-quiz
That you call a study guide? I call it the questions and the answers...kinda like cheating. Wonder what the UIL would think about this.
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Having not registered myself and therefore not having taken the test, I have no idea what is on the test. I will defer to you.
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Mike, I personally am not regisered, but my close friend ima dumas did. The test was ridiculously stupid and easy.
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Wowa they must have some really dumb official over there. Yeah, that is the exact test. If they need a cheat sheet to pass that test, then dont think I want thwm on the field...
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The test is very similar to the COPE test that all coaches must click through every year to be certified. Ooops did I say all coaches I meant the new rookie coach that just got hired must click through 8-20 times.
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ooooo that twicky timmons - he changed the UIL school login...Doesn't freely give out the login information anymore. That man - he is a smart one, i tell ya..
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ooooo that twicky timmons - he changed the UIL school login...Doesn't freely give out the login information anymore. That man - he is a smart one, i tell ya..
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Well what else would you expect from an :!# individual who would take nearly half-an-hour to eavesdrop on a TASO conference call from his own cell phone? Just goes to show that he belongs to an agency that absolutely reeks of the word "E-T-H-I-C-A-L!" Birds of a feather do flock together, eh tiphat: Dr. B.? z^
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That is funny, but I was still able to log in this morning with the old e-mail and password. Funny thing is they give access to change the password to get in............
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ooooo that twicky timmons - he changed the UIL school login...Doesn't freely give out the login information anymore. That man - he is a smart one, i tell ya..
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He is one wascally wabbit isn't he!
He is once again trying to hide how few officials have registered with his organization.
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I spoke with an equipment vendor yesterday who told me that he and other vendors went to UIL to discuss agreements. UIL list only one place where equipment can be obtained including the UIL patches which are going to be required on all uniforms.
He also told me that UIL is making a redesign of the baseball officials uniform to make sure it does not look like the TASO baseball officials uniforms. Talk about childish behavior. I wonder what color of striped shirts UIL would have their football officials wear? Damn, I shudder to think what they would come up with!
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So much for...."This will be free"
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Hate to think I have to retire because new uniform costs will exceed my income off the new flat rate game fees.
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Hate to think I have to retire because new uniform costs will exceed my income off the new flat rate game fees.
Do not underestimate this. Those fancy black pants that I and many others called for rang up $65. I had some old, tired stuff I opted to replace this year and last ... probably $250?
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I agree, but like I told the vendor until this gets fixed, I ain't buying much in the way of equipment. I bought $5.00 worth of game cards and normally this time of year I am spending $30-50 buying "stuff".
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I tried to log in, but forgot the information.
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I tried to log in, but forgot the information.
Reason you forgot is because you're a JERK. Hence the name you used to register with the UIL Mr. Ima Dumas
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Reason you forgot is because you're a JERK. Hence the name you used to register with the UIL Mr. Ima Dumas
This gentlemen, is "intelligence" if I have ever seen it. Why the bitterness Ornery1? Wait, I get it. Your playoff assignments are now affected thanks to the Federal Judge. You won't get to boast about working here and there in the upcoming weeks through the playoffs.
Justice finds a way to win in the end!
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I am sure glad there is no shortage of officials otherwise I might have had to work the subvarsity game last night alone. Oh, that's right, I DID!!! Good luck UIL!!
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Mike maybe Ornery will travel there to help you . I mean he works all over the State!
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Lol. Now that I'm officially a JERK, at least ornery1 isn't in a class all by himself!
Yeah, sign me up for the UIL. It is apparent they have top notch members.
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I am sure glad there is no shortage of officials otherwise I might have had to work the subvarsity game last night alone. Oh, that's right, I DID!!! Good luck UIL!!
Has TASO released that one man mechanics manual yet? ;)
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The one man mechanic manual was banned due to usage of foul language! ;D
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Has TASO released that one man mechanics manual yet? ;)
Seriously, can you still call it "mechanics" if you use a lawn chair?
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One man mechanics...Get back in your truck and go home if you are the only one there.
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One man mechanics...Get back in your truck and go home if you are the only one there.
Better yet, never get outta the truck until you see another striped shirt!
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One man mechanics...Get back in your truck and go home if you are the only one there.
That's a pretty appealing option!
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I'm interested though Mike:
What age was that game, and why were you alone? Was it planned for 3 man and the others dropped out/no show? I'd like to know.
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Site was 90 miles from center of our service area. It is a small school jr hi. Not a lot of guys are willing to make that trip on a Thursday afternoon so only 1 guy had been scheduledsince the day it was first announced. The chapter cannot force people to do games so if nobody violunteers, it is what it is.
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Site was 90 miles from center of our service area. It is a small school jr hi. Not a lot of guys are willing to make that trip on a Thursday afternoon so only 1 guy had been scheduledsince the day it was first announced. The chapter cannot force people to do games so if nobody violunteers, it is what it is.
Next time let me know in advanced if i can get a cheap plane ticket I will go and work it.
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I don't know where the UIL thought they were going to get officials to cover games this week when I've got to go two man a 3A JV game tonight even without the UIL deadline induced shortage.
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Yeah this weeks games would have been a nightmare for schools if we would have had even a few less. to call
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Not sure on details but the hearing in fed court was moved to Nov 24. Someone filed a document that caused court to issue delay.
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Not sure on details but the hearing in fed court was moved to Nov 24. Someone filed a document that caused court to issue delay.
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Methinks that the tiphat: Good UIL Dr., his :!# Dancing Monkey, and their minions need just a little extra time to prepare their case for the Court. So why not on the Wednesday prior to Thanksgiving! Sounds like the perfect time for it to ultimately get delayed until at least Mid-December. If that scenario plays out, then I can definitely see all of the UIL registration process getting tossed out of the window or at least placed on indefinite hold, and only reinstated if they should ultimately receive a favorable ruling by the Court. I would think that this delay could well begin to place TASO in the legal drivers seat! z^
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Or more time to get their collective stories straight..................................
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They better get it fixed before baseball season or it's going to be UGLY! TASO Baseball met in SAT this weekend and they are very much in lock-step to stand against UIL.
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They better get it fixed before baseball season or it's going to be UGLY! TASO Baseball met in SAT this weekend and they are very much in lock-step to stand against UIL.
I could not agree more with that statement. TASO baseball will not move off of their stance of never registering. This will really show what supply and demand will do to officiating. Little league baseball and AAU ball is huge all over Texas. It is a true testiment to TASO baseball that they have been able to keep their members from calling the (closer, better paying, better accomadations,) Little league games for this long. Add UIL registration on top of all of these other benefits of Little League and you will not have TASO baseball coverage. All of the Summer ball and woodbat leagues is where the baseball people make all of their money to begin with. Who schedules all of that... TASO DIEHARDS. This will cause more chaos then the week 10 deadline in football could ever dream of...I LOVE IT
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Heck you guys have motivated me to sign up as a TASO baseball guy!! I like your thinking
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Not sure on details but the hearing in fed court was moved to Nov 24. Someone filed a document that caused court to issue delay.
The way it sounded in the courtroom, was that the court at the last hearing had asked/instructed the plaintiff (ornry, that's us - TASO) to resubmit/refile their "complaint" and it also sounded like they were supposed to do that to include the evidence or statements that were presented/made at the Oct 20th hearing. That filing evidently was done yesterday. So this morning the AG complained about not having time to review those filings. WOULD A LAWYER WHO WAS THERE PLS CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG....
Basically, here's how it went. You know "those people" who walk through the door to a grocery store, then stop and look around not caring that there are a bunch of people behind them waiting to get in? Yeah, those people were the defendents today.
There was one interesting note, the judge and plaintiffs (ornry, that's us - TASO) lawyer had an exchange where they discussed the "arbitrary" nature of the december 1st date, they compared that to the arbitrary nature of the nov 1st date. If I remember correctly, the judge said something like he was inclined to agree that the date was arbitrary. The defense (ornry, that's the UIL) stepped away from their table for a moment to discuss if they would agree to move that arbitrary date to Dec 18th, allowing for the status quo to finish the season, they declined to agree to that.
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Make no mistake: Time is definitely an ally of TASO's! z^
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Mr. Liggett could have a second career as a court reporter... Only mistake he made (understandable because the UIL misrepresented this in court) was TASO filed the complained of petition Monday, not Tuesday. UIL tried to exclude the amended petition, the judge denied that motion, but gave the UIL time to respond (November 23rd at 5 pm). Hearing is set for November 24 at 2 pm. Poor souls that need to work the afternoon the day before Thanksgiving.
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Mr. Liggett could have a second career as a court reporter...
$100k
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Legal Action Postponed in TASO Lawsuit Against UIL
November 11, 2010
Dear TASO Member:
During a hearing in Austin, Federal District Judge Lee Yeakel yesterday (Wednesday, Nov. 10) postponed action on TASO’s request for a preliminary injunction against the UIL’s effort to create a registration, regulation and licensure program for Texas sports officials.
Here’s the reason for the delay:
On Monday (Nov. 8), TASO amended its lawsuit to include facts that came to light during the preliminary injunction hearing (the UIL’s refusal to deliver rulebooks, the UIL’s use of the tragic death of a high school football player as a coercive tool, the fact that the Commissioner of Education never approved the UIL Sports Officials Department, among others).
In response, the UIL filed a motion to exclude TASO’s amendments. Judge Yeakel denied the UIL’s motion. However, in an abundance of caution, the judge allowed the UIL time to respond to TASO’s amended petition.
The hearing has been re-scheduled for 2 p.m. November 24 in Austin.
Judge Yeakel reiterated that he would rule by December 1, and said he agreed with TASO’s attorneys that the December 1 deadline seems just as arbitrary as the November 1 registration deadline originally set by the UIL.
Just as before, TASO continues to fight the regulation of our members by the UIL and there is still no requirement or reason to register with the UIL at this time.
Sincerely,
Mike
Michael Fitch
Executive Director
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I am UIL Mr. Ima Dumas
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