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Title: Unform change question
Post by: ljudge on February 04, 2011, 07:03:23 AM
I saw the "goodbye to knickers" thread.  Of course I'll wait until I hear from my conference supevisor to make it official in my mind.  What I'd like to know is whether anyone knows if there will be a "warm weather version" of the black pants where perhaps the material is different.
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: El Macman on February 04, 2011, 08:19:00 AM
I saw the "goodbye to knickers" thread.  Of course I'll wait until I hear from my conference supevisor to make it official in my mind.  What I'd like to know is whether anyone knows if there will be a "warm weather version" of the black pants where perhaps the material is different.

I'd bet on it, if not this season, certainly next season.
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: Grant - AR on February 04, 2011, 08:47:15 AM
I'd bet on it, if not this season, certainly next season.

I agree.  For the number of pants that will be bought, you know they can come up with a warm weather type in the next 4-5 months.
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: Andrew McCarthy on February 04, 2011, 09:12:50 AM
Of course I'll wait until I hear from my conference supevisor to make it official in my mind. 

I agree with this.  There was at least one supervisor that wouldn't allow the black pants last season.
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: justaLJ on February 04, 2011, 09:23:50 AM
Still don't understand this move, since the 2" stripe shirt was supposed to set NCAA apart from from HS and NFL. 

That said, heard on good authority that the decision on black pants was based assurances from suppliers that a warm weather version would be available.
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: El Macman on February 04, 2011, 12:40:03 PM
Still don't understand this move, since the 2" stripe shirt was supposed to set NCAA apart from from HS and NFL. 

That said, heard on good authority that the decision on black pants was based assurances from suppliers that a warm weather version would be available.

The move was made due to the preference of officials that wore them. A strong, if not overwhelming, majority said they would like to wear them full-time. At least one - probably more - coordinator has been wanting to lose the knickers for years, so he at least supported it, if not inititated it.
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: Welpe on February 04, 2011, 05:02:02 PM
Word on the street is that the Cliff Keen and Gerry Davis pants are made of a lighter material than the Honigs.
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: ABoselli on February 05, 2011, 09:05:53 AM
Anyone know if the NFL is going this route as well? Normally, a move this big doesn't happen in a vacuum.

UFL guys have had the black pants since the league's inception. Anyone know what they are made of?
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: El Macman on February 05, 2011, 11:39:22 AM
Nothing at all against the NFL - they have provided a lot of good info, training, and resources to NCAA guys in the past couple of decades - but it will be nice to be the leader for a change, eh?

Brings me to another question. May seem trite, but what do we about bean bags? If the NFL had black pants full time, I'd bet they'd change to black bean bags. All NCAA ought to use the same color. Blue or black - which will it be? White is passe, and will clash. Orange and red are silly.  I think black. The sooner we stir this pot, the sooner we get resolution.
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: ABoselli on February 05, 2011, 12:32:50 PM
Big 12 already has the black beanbags. They fit in the best but might look like crap if they get muddy.

Let's make the penalty flags black, too and complete the motif.
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: AlUpstateNY on February 05, 2011, 02:18:13 PM
All NCAA ought to use the same color. Blue or black - which will it be? White is passe, and will clash. Orange and red are silly.  I think black. The sooner we stir this pot, the sooner we get resolution.

Where is this nonsense taking us, now we  should be concerned about our beanbags "clashing".  Does anybody really think the color of the beanbag matters to anyone but the game officials, and whether or not they can see it and find after it's been left.  The insistance on using a separate blue beanbag, was silly.
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: With_Two_Flakes on February 05, 2011, 07:15:49 PM
Where is this nonsense taking us, now we  should be concerned about our beanbags "clashing".  Does anybody really think the color of the beanbag matters to anyone but the game officials...

The most common sense I've read all evening. Concerns about beanbag and flag colours clashing with the colour of our pants - seriously? We're hardly wearing catwalk outfits - last time I checked we were wearing polyester, not a traditional Haute couture material...

Next, we will have folks suggesting that the NCAA and NFHS hire Yves Saint Laurent to advise on our colour choices.

Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: zebra99 on February 05, 2011, 08:23:18 PM
The move was made due to the preference of officials that wore them. A strong, if not overwhelming, majority said they would like to wear them full-time. At least one - probably more - coordinator has been wanting to lose the knickers for years, so he at least supported it, if not inititated it.

And don't be surprised if more all official surveys come forth on a variety of subjects like the rule change one.  Our new national coordinator believes in inclusiveness and is interested in our views coming direct as well as through coordinators/supervisors.
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: Atlanta Blue on February 05, 2011, 08:44:23 PM
Next, we will have folks suggesting that the NCAA and NFHS hire Yves Saint Laurent to advise on our colour choices.



I hope not, he died a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: ABoselli on February 06, 2011, 07:13:41 AM
Like Keith Richards?
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: drilsgt_98 on February 06, 2011, 09:58:54 AM
I hope not, he died a couple of years ago.

I don't know which is scarier...that an official knows who this is or that an official knows he is dead.
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: With_Two_Flakes on February 06, 2011, 01:41:27 PM
I hope not, he died a couple of years ago.
I still wear stirrup socks, so the folks in my Association will be quick to tell you I'm not exactly up to date  ;D
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: Osric Pureheart on February 06, 2011, 07:23:28 PM
Stirrups are back in!  Give it a few more years and we'll have everyone in bow ties and the H carrying a stick.
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: Rulesman on February 06, 2011, 08:24:35 PM
I don't know which is scarier...that an official knows who this is or that an official knows he is dead.
Yeah, but AB is a coach!
Title: Re: Unform change question
Post by: drilsgt_98 on February 08, 2011, 10:10:05 PM
Yeah, but AB is a coach!

LOL..We know they are fashion experts since they all dress the same also......