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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: FLBJ on March 02, 2011, 02:36:24 PM

Title: Unsportsmanlike Conduct in 2011
Post by: FLBJ on March 02, 2011, 02:36:24 PM: Not only a potential live ball foul but now automatic 1st if against team B! Brings it in line with '9-1' fouls as auto 1st but not sure I agree it's as stiff a penalty as a PF and deserving of that.
Title: Re: Unsportsmanlike Conduct in 2011
Post by: texref on March 06, 2011, 12:36:06 PM: Quote from: FLBJ on March 02, 2011, 02:36:24 PM
Not only a potential live ball foul but now automatic 1st if against team B! Brings it in line with '9-1' fouls as auto 1st but not sure I agree it's as stiff a penalty as a PF and deserving of that.

I like the idea of adding an automatic first down to Unsportsmanlike fouls. If you don't want to pay the price don't do anything stupid.
Title: Re: Unsportsmanlike Conduct in 2011
Post by: Osric Pureheart on March 06, 2011, 12:46:39 PM: Much easier sell to the offense's coach when 3rd and 16 turns into 1st and 10 rather than 4th and 1.
Title: Re: Unsportsmanlike Conduct in 2011
Post by: Diablo on March 06, 2011, 06:33:02 PM: Quote from: FLBJ on March 02, 2011, 02:36:24 PM
Not only a potential live ball foul but now automatic 1st if against team B! Brings it in line with '9-1' fouls as auto 1st but not sure I agree it's as stiff a penalty as a PF and deserving of that.

If the rules committee really wants to put the lid on it, USC fouls committed by Team A should carry a forfeiture of the next down.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Title: Re: Unsportsmanlike Conduct in 2011
Post by: TXMike on March 06, 2011, 07:38:55 PM: Heck Yeah, just like roundball. You commit a "technical"and ball becomes dead with a live ball penalized as dead ball enforcement
Title: Re: Unsportsmanlike Conduct in 2011
Post by: Atlanta Blue on March 06, 2011, 07:55:46 PM: Quote from: Diablo on March 06, 2011, 06:33:02 PM
If the rules committee really wants to put the lid on it, USC fouls committed by Team A should carry a forfeiture of the next down.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Are you equating an automatic 1st down with a loss of down?
Title: Re: Unsportsmanlike Conduct in 2011
Post by: Diablo on March 07, 2011, 09:28:27 AM: Quote from: Atlanta Blue on March 06, 2011, 07:55:46 PM
Are you equating an automatic 1st down with a loss of down?

Not knowingly.
Why?
Title: Re: Unsportsmanlike Conduct in 2011
Post by: Atlanta Blue on March 07, 2011, 10:05:29 AM: Quote from: Diablo on March 07, 2011, 09:28:27 AM
Not knowingly.
Why?

Thought that's what you meant by the goose and gander comment.
Title: Re: Unsportsmanlike Conduct in 2011
Post by: Andrew McCarthy on April 11, 2011, 04:08:02 PM: I'm not sure if this has been discussed before- will an unsportsmanlike foul by the non-scoring team during a play that ends in a touchdown still carry over to the try or kickoff?
Title: Re: Unsportsmanlike Conduct in 2011
Post by: El Macman on April 11, 2011, 04:16:10 PM: Quote from: Andrew McCarthy on April 11, 2011, 04:08:02 PM
I'm not sure if this has been discussed before- will an unsportsmanlike foul by the non-scoring team during a play that ends in a touchdown still carry over to the try or kickoff?

Yes, because this rule applied to live ball fouls as well as live-ball-fouls-penalized-as dead-ball-fouls (previously). Now, those LBFPADBFs have simply become live-ball fouls.
Title: Re: Unsportsmanlike Conduct in 2011
Post by: Andrew McCarthy on April 11, 2011, 04:19:53 PM: Quote from: El Macman on April 11, 2011, 04:16:10 PM
Yes, because this rule applied to live ball fouls as well as live-ball-fouls-penalized-as dead-ball-fouls (previously). Now, those LBFPADBFs have simply become live-ball fouls.

Not really. It was only personal fouls. All other live ball fouls were not enforced.
Title: Re: Unsportsmanlike Conduct in 2011
Post by: sj_31 on April 28, 2011, 11:31:56 AM: Maybe this was covered in another thread...if so, sorry for the repeat.

4/10 @ B-40. QB A1 is sacked at the 50. After the play, B99 celebrates/taunts the QB. My question is does the auto-first down occur before we have a new series for B? If we had a DB PF, we would still be giving the ball to B, backed up 15 yards from the SS. DB UNSs still work the same way they always have?
Title: Re: Unsportsmanlike Conduct in 2011
Post by: JasonTX on April 28, 2011, 01:41:53 PM: Quote from: sj_31 on April 28, 2011, 11:31:56 AM
Maybe this was covered in another thread...if so, sorry for the repeat.

4/10 @ B-40. QB A1 is sacked at the 50. After the play, B99 celebrates/taunts the QB. My question is does the auto-first down occur before we have a new series for B? If we had a DB PF, we would still be giving the ball to B, backed up 15 yards from the SS. DB UNSs still work the same way they always have?

You are correct. True dead ball fouls will not change how this is penalized.