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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: bossman72 on July 23, 2011, 11:09:01 PM

Title: Illegal Shift
Post by: bossman72 on July 23, 2011, 11:09:01 PM
Looking for philosophy answers on this one:

Offense gets set out of the huddle and then a WR starts to go in motion.  As he is going in motion, the right guard goes into his 3 point stance from a 2 point stance.  WR never stops his motion and ball is snapped.

This is an illegal shift by rule, but is this one we want to get or should we pass on this?
Title: Re: Illegal Shift
Post by: NVFOA_Ump on July 24, 2011, 09:13:13 AM
I would have a flag.  By rule B has an expectation that this is actually a shift since while the A back was moving an A lineman clearly also moved when he went to the three point stance.  That means no snap until everyone on A is re-set for a count.  IMO this would give a clear advantage to team A if we don't flag since those players on B who have seen the motion by both players are not expecting the snap until a re-set.
Title: Re: Illegal Shift
Post by: El Macman on July 24, 2011, 10:40:26 AM
 ^flag. Illegal Shift (live-ball).


Looking for philosophy answers on this one:

Offense gets set out of the huddle and then a WR starts to go in motion.  As he is going in motion, the right guard goes into his 3 point stance from a 2 point stance.  WR never stops his motion and ball is snapped.

This is an illegal shift by rule, but is this one we want to get or should we pass on this?
Title: Re: Illegal Shift
Post by: Hawkeye on July 24, 2011, 06:19:05 PM
This is a foul, there was an editorial change in this year's book to confirm that this is indeed a shift, and if the WR does not stop, then it constitutes an illegal shift.

The editorial change:

2-22-1-a - Inserted the words "or stance" in the first sentence.

ARTICLE 1. a. A shift is a simultaneous change of position or stance by two
or more offensive players after the ball is ready for play before the snap for a
scrimmage down (A.R. 7-1-3-I-II and A.R. 7-1-2-I-IV).
Title: Re: Illegal Shift
Post by: ret66482 on July 27, 2011, 04:32:49 AM
I would flag it, we always try to avoid some of the technical things but when it is obvious - what do we tell the opposing coach (who definitely saw it).