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Title: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: east louis on July 27, 2011, 07:12:35 AM
got my books last night,w/ No 2011 part 1 test--did anybody else get one? if so.can I get it faxed or something?
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: arkansaswhitehat on July 27, 2011, 08:57:27 AM
It is my understanding that all tests will be taken online.  No paper tests.  If anyone has any other info on this please post.  In Arkansas we can only take the test online and it will be available Aug 1.
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: jjseikel on July 27, 2011, 12:59:19 PM
In Arkansas we can only take the test online..

Same in Oklahoma.
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: FBUmp on July 27, 2011, 09:13:33 PM
No paper tests.

Not true.  I have it.  :thumbup
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: skip1 on July 28, 2011, 12:44:05 PM
The test is available as a PDF file. The NFHS is no longer sending out paper test's. Our state office in CT was able to send it out to the board interpreters.
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: KellumSowers on July 29, 2011, 09:30:13 AM
To piggy back on Skip1, their state also posted it online.  I hope I dont get in trouble for this, but you can find it HERE (http://ccafo.org/documents/2011%20NFHS%20Football%20Exam1.pdf)

Good season to all!
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: FBUmp on July 29, 2011, 09:18:04 PM
To piggy back on Skip1, their state also posted it online.  I hope I dont get in trouble for this, but you can find it HERE (http://ccafo.org/documents/2011%20NFHS%20Football%20Exam1.pdf)

You won't get in trouble but that local association may.  The NFHS doesn't grant permission for their publications or exams to be posted online.
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: HLinNC on July 31, 2011, 02:22:16 PM
NC hasn't sent the Part I with our materials since 2006.  The last Part II paper exam we took was in 2007.  We've been online for exams since.

Since we are becoming more and more like the NCAA, I can forsee us soon having to print our own books too.
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: KellumSowers on July 31, 2011, 09:09:44 PM
They have already either removed the content or made it password protected.  My intentions were not to chuck them under the bus, but a quick google of it led me to them.

Have fun callin ball!
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: skip1 on August 04, 2011, 01:54:37 PM
We got in trouble for posting it. As you can tell the NFHS made us take it down.
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: bulldogs1msu on August 18, 2011, 08:27:29 AM
if a game official calls timeout for an injured player, the player MUST leave the game for at least one play.  true or false  we have different opinions on my crew
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: TampaSteve on August 18, 2011, 08:35:25 AM
if a game official calls timeout for an injured player, the player MUST leave the game for at least one play.  true or false  we have different opinions on my crew
The statement, in and of itself, is true.   For crew discussion, we can add "UNLESS player is injured on last play of a quarter - then he CAN return without sitting out a play."
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: bulldogs1msu on August 18, 2011, 08:38:05 AM
that word must makes me think it is false.  badly worded question in my opinion.  thanks FlAg1
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: bama_stripes on August 18, 2011, 08:39:23 AM
if a game official calls timeout for an injured player, the player MUST leave the game for at least one play.  true or false  we have different opinions on my crew

True.  CB 3.5.10 Sit A.

Don't read anything extraneous into test questions.
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: Kirby on August 18, 2011, 12:19:13 PM
The statement, in and of itself, is true.   For crew discussion, we can add "UNLESS player is injured on last play of a quarter - then he CAN return without sitting out a play."

You may have meant to type, "half" instead of "quarter", but if a player is injured on the last play of the 1st or 3rd quarter, he must sit out the first play of the 2nd or 4th quarter. Rule 3-5-10

ART. 10 . . . An official’s time-out (which is not charged to either team) occurs, and the player shall be replaced for at least one down, unless halftime or an overtime intermission occurs
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: 4sports on August 21, 2011, 11:08:55 AM
got my books last night,w/ No 2011 part 1 test--did anybody else get one? if so.can I get it faxed or something?

You will take the test in Illinois online, it will not be a true false test there are 50 questions in the pool you will get 25 of those on your test
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: takemeaway10 on August 22, 2011, 04:12:42 PM
if a game official calls timeout for an injured player, the player MUST leave the game for at least one play.  true or false  we have different opinions on my crew

OK, now I got a question for you "A player loses possession by a fumble or a muff." My answer is TRUE. The NFHS's answer is FALSE.
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: Harry on August 22, 2011, 04:26:56 PM

OK, now I got a question for you "A player loses possession by a fumble or a muff." My answer is TRUE. The NFHS's answer is FALSE.

That's the type of question that causes problems.  The answer based on logic is true.  true or false=true

But that's not the way they are asking the question.
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: takemeaway10 on August 22, 2011, 04:29:44 PM
That's the type of question that causes problems.  The answer based on logic is true.  true or false=true

But that's not the way they are asking the question.

They could simply fix the question by changing the "or" to "and." I think certain rules and situations are confusing and challenging enough without the Fed's crazy wording and phrasing.
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: Harry on August 22, 2011, 04:31:01 PM
They could simply fix the question by changing the "or" to "and." I think certain rules and situations are confusing and challenging enough without the Fed's crazy wording and phrasing.

I agree, though at this point I have beaten into submission.   :)
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: calibackjudge on August 23, 2011, 03:27:33 AM
does anyone have part II handy?
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: jjseikel on August 24, 2011, 12:20:43 PM
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OK, now I got a question for you "A player loses possession by a fumble or a muff." My answer is TRUE. The NFHS's answer is FALSE.

False. There never was player possession on a muff.
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: takemeaway10 on August 24, 2011, 12:27:48 PM
False. There never was player possession on a muff.

Sooo if I said, "I'm a human or a reptilian," I'd be lying?
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: ECILLJ on August 24, 2011, 01:31:32 PM
Sooo if I said, "I'm a human or a reptilian," I'd be lying?

The English speaking creature was a human or a reptile.

False

Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: losthog on August 24, 2011, 03:25:44 PM

OK, now I got a question for you "A player loses possession by a fumble or a muff." My answer is TRUE. The NFHS's answer is FALSE.

It is False.  The ball remains in the possession of the player losing the ball until another gains possession. 

2.34.3

A loose ball is different than team or player possession.
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: Mike L on August 24, 2011, 03:44:45 PM
It is False.  The ball remains in the possession of the player losing the ball until another gains possession. 

2.34.3

A loose ball is different than team or player possession.

Correct answer, wrong reasoning. The ball remains in team possession during a loose ball, but player possession has been lost. Player possession may be lost by fumble, pass, or kick creating a loose ball. A muff is a failed attempt to gain possession of a loose ball, so you cannot lose possession of something you never had. That's what makes the question false.
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: mbyron on August 24, 2011, 06:32:30 PM
It is False.  The ball remains in the possession of the player losing the ball until another gains possession. 

2.34.3

A loose ball is different than team or player possession.

Well, you not only missed his point, you have an erroneous reason. A player who fumbles or muffs the ball is NOT in player possession. A loose ball is always in TEAM possession, but by definition is not in player possession.
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: takemeaway10 on August 24, 2011, 10:25:58 PM
 ^no
Moving along... anybody got answers for these things (part I exam)?
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: mbyron on August 25, 2011, 06:43:48 AM
^no
Moving along... anybody got answers for these things (part I exam)?
Yes. Many of us have answers.  :)
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: jjseikel on August 26, 2011, 12:32:17 PM
Yes. Many of us have answers.  :)

I have 100 answers, but according to the NFHS, one of them is wrong. yEs:
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: Grant - AR on August 26, 2011, 01:34:46 PM
I have 100 answers, but according to the NFHS, one of them is wrong. yEs:

This might be a stupid question, but do they not tell you which one you missed?
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: FBUmp on August 26, 2011, 05:26:13 PM
If you take the online exam, they don't tell you which one you missed.  But they do tell you what rules you need to study.  From the two rules listed, I knew exactly which two I missed this year.
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: HLinNC on August 26, 2011, 11:36:36 PM
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but do they not tell you which one you missed?

They will in a few weeks.
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: takemeaway10 on August 29, 2011, 08:34:04 AM
I have 100 answers, but according to the NFHS, one of them is wrong. yEs:

Which one would that be?
Title: Re: nfhs part 1 test
Post by: mark in ok on August 30, 2011, 12:26:30 PM
In Oklahoma we can now review our test.  We can also see the correct answers for any we missed.