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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: golfingref on November 06, 2011, 11:23:19 AM
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Did not see the play live, only on Gameday Final. Stanford pass to the right side of the field. Receiver catches the ball, is hit hard, fumbles, OSU returns for a TD. At the spot of the hit a flag is thrown. R announces personal foul. Did anyone see the play? Was the personal foul on the hit? If so, it seemed to be a very bad call. Defender turns and hits receiver with his shoulders. Very hard but clean hit. Hope the PF was not on this hit.
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Not an interception but was this the play?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oymQ-8-gWE4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oymQ-8-gWE4)
News story:
WR Owusu suffers his third concussion in 13 months
CORVALLIS, Ore. -- There was a mixed reaction in Reser Stadium to seeing Stanford receiver Chris Owusu once again crumple to the field.
"I was fighting back tears, just to see Chris lying on the ground again," Cardinal coach David Shaw said.
"It's scary, especially when it happens to a guy who's had it happen before," quarterback Andrew Luck said. "My first thoughts are, 'Please be OK, Chris.'"
Even OSU cornerback Jordan Poyer, who delivered the hit -- and drew a personal foul penalty -- was moved by the incident.
"He came up to me and apologized," Shaw said.
But the Oregon State fans weren't quite as supportive, according to Stanford linebacker Chase Thomas.
"They were rude when he went down," Thomas said. "They were yelling things they shouldn't have said."
Owusu said last week that he would "try to protect myself a little better," but exactly what he felt Saturday isn't known -- Stanford did not make him available to the media after the game.
But this much is certain:
As a result of the helmet-to-helmet collision with Poyer, Owusu suffered his second concussion in the past three weeks and third in the past 13 months.
After Stanford's medical staff attended to him on the field, Owusu was placed on a stretcher and loaded into an ambulance.
He was examined at a hospital, released and returned to the
stadium to greet his teammates after the 38-13 victory.
"He was conscious, he was fine, but they had already made the decision to put him on a stretcher," Shaw said.
"We'll talk about whether or not he is going to play anytime soon at a later date. There are a lot of checks he has to pass in order to get back on the field. We are going to make sure he passes all those before he plays. We will be overly cautious."
Asked about changes to the playbook without Owusu, Shaw said:
"We've got guys that can play, so we aren't going to change our game plan without Chris. He may still be back next week. He is not out."
-- JON WILNER
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Yes, Mike. That is the play. I changed the subject line. I do not see a personal foul on that clip.
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First, I hope the kid's okay. That said, it looked to me last night (and today) that the receiver ducked his head and that is the only reason there was ANY helmet-to-helmet contact. The defender didn't "launch" himself either.
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I don't either but I continue to be surprised by these hits where a player gets a concussion but there appears to be no helmet hit. What causes that? The fact he had 2 prior ones make him vulnerable to another just by the force of the hit on his body?
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This one is a good one for the rules makers to take a hard look at - reasonable arguments can be made both ways regardless of the injury to the player. We're in a transition period on these hits especially when they do not involve a defenseless player. What was "just football" not that long ago, is now potentially subject to a penalty based on the judgment of officials.
It's all but impossible to be perfectly consistent given that we make decisions in real time but are judged by all in slow motion, frame by frame time.
We do have the "when in question" guideline which helps but sure doesn't diminish the uproar.
I truly beleive the NCAA and the conferences need to be much more proactive in educating the media and fans on this controversial rules subject.