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Football Officiating => Texas Topics => Topic started by: Headlinesman on February 09, 2012, 02:15:03 AM
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Let's just do a bit of informal research.
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Let me preface my remarks with this: I went to the last meeting in McAllen, hell I even went to the one in El Paso.
But if we are to have a State Meeting ( which I endorse) it should be at least somewhat centrally located. Less and less of the lower division officials attend. Some of that may be due to the quality of the meetings deadhorse: but they are the ones we need to get trained. The upper divisions generally go for some training but more so to see old friends, etc.
My $.02
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I am not so sure that the demographics of Refstripes is indicative of the overall TASO population. All of us care about getting better and officiating. Therefore, it is a decent assumption that the number of refstripes members attending the state meeting would be a lot larger then the general population.
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I went to the State Meeting last time all of the way from Amarillo and will be doing so again this year. They did a great job.
I doubt anyone travels further than us.
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But you guys have to "Company Plane "(Southwest). Try doing that from Longview, Tyler, Abilene, etc.
No gripping at all, cuz I used to be there and know the travels you guys have to make.
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I am not so sure that the demographics of Refstripes is indicative of the overall TASO population. All of us care about getting better and officiating. Therefore, it is a decent assumption that the number of refstripes members attending the state meeting would be a lot larger then the general population.
I prefaced the survey by using the "term" informal. I realize that, due to sampling limitations and errors, this survey will be skewed, but curiosity still got the best of me! Thanks for participating!
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I remember a few years back - might had been when state mtg was in College Station it was brought up that they (powers to be @ time) were looking to hold meeting at various venues (hotels, conference center etc) and teleconferencing it at one time.
Never heard an more of that pray:;
Think it would be good to do that and perhaps every 3 or 5 years hold one big one at a majot locale. :sTiR:
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I went to the State Meeting last time all of the way from Amarillo and will be doing so again this year. They did a great job.
I doubt anyone travels further than us.
And no one does VIP like you guys either! aWaRd
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But you guys have to "Company Plane "(Southwest). Try doing that from Longview, Tyler, Abilene, etc.
No gripping at all, cuz I used to be there and know the travels you guys have to make.
Southwest? Are you kidding? They drive!
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I'm hoping to go. Hopefully they give bonus points this year, I could use 'em! Especially since we only got the basic points for the Dallas meeting a couple of years ago but they gave out points like candy for San Antonio last year.
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Dallas hasn't had the meeting since 2006, and no bonus points were given out that year. Fort Worth had it a couple of years ago and bonus points were given out if you attended the on-field clinic that did a 7 on 7 tournament.
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Dallas hasn't had the meeting since 2006, and no bonus points were given out that year. Fort Worth had it a couple of years ago and bonus points were given out if you attended the on-field clinic that did a 7 on 7 tournament.
Excuse me, I said Dallas but I meant the joint one put on by DFW in Arlington in 2010. And no, there were no bonus points handed out unless it was on a secret TASO points form that I did not receive.
All I'm saying is some consistency in how the bonus points are handled would be nice. I mean for crying out loud, they gave out 30 bonus points in 2007 for attending the State Meeting in College Station. I know that is Aggieland and all but it's crazy to me to have that much variation.
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Excuse me, I said Dallas but I meant the joint one put on by DFW in Arlington in 2010. And no, there were no bonus points handed out unless it was on a secret TASO points form that I did not receive.
All I'm saying is some consistency in how the bonus points are handled would be nice. I mean for crying out loud, they gave out 30 bonus points in 2007 for attending the State Meeting in College Station. I know that is Aggieland and all but it's crazy to me to have that much variation.
Normally bonus points are only given to try to boost attendance. Normally this is for locales such as McAllen or El Paso. I think they needed to boost the attendance for CS.
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But they also gave them for San Antonio last year. I would think that you wouldn't need much incentive to boost attendance for San Antonio. Maybe they can go back and retroactively give some for going to Arlington a couple years ago (yeah right).
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But they also gave them for San Antonio last year. I would think that you wouldn't need much incentive to boost attendance for San Antonio. Maybe they can go back and retroactively give some for going to Arlington a couple years ago (yeah right).
Actually they didn't give out bonus points. There were training points given for certain meetings attended. We also thought that the local would boost participation and had several additions for families that were not utilized. I don't know if that was due to communication but I do remember us making it known that we had shuttles to Sea World if any families wanted to go out there while the meetings were taking place.
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The whole idea of bonus points is nonsense. The point system exists to show experience. You're telling me that sitting through a few presentations at a state meeting is the same as working 15 varsity or 60 sub varsity games? When they give 30 points for attending that's what TASO is saying.
Best regards,
Brad
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Let's be honest here, how many officials actually bring their families to a state meeting? I know I never have. If I want to go on vacation with them, then I'm sure not going to be sitting in meetings. That whole concept, let's find something for the families and wives to do while the guys are in meetings, never made much sense to me and never really seemed to be very successful. I would venture to say that a large majority of guys go by themselves or other officials within their chapter or crews and leave the wife and kids at home.
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The whole idea of bonus points is nonsense. The point system exists to show experience. You're telling me that sitting through a few presentations at a state meeting is the same as working 15 varsity or 60 sub varsity games? When they give 30 points for attending that's what TASO is saying.
Best regards,
Brad
Exactly!
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there were no bonus points handed out
Yes, there were. It was only 5 and you had to attend the field clinic at Arlington Lamar HS. Plus, it worked different than before -- I agree totally about the consistency. But I got 5 bonus points, so I know this for a fact. Whether it was advertised very well, I don't know, as I didn't know Abilene was giving out bonus points until after the fact. So if you or others were not made aware, I'm not surprised.
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sitting through a few presentations at a state meeting is the same as working 15 varsity or 60 sub varsity games?
I agree with you here, but there are other ways to look at this: is there any difference between an official who starts the year with 175 points and one who starts with 183?
Has anyone had trouble, or know of someone who has, with getting sufficient points for Div. 2 but not the 40 varsity games? Just wondering how that plays out.
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Actually they didn't give out bonus points. There were training points given for certain meetings attended.
That's why they are listed on the points sheet under "State Meeting Bonus Points" right? :)
It's semantics really, I think it's pretty well understood if you go to a State Meeting you're probably going to be attending most of those sessions anyways.
Giving out these points after the fact just seems pointless to me. It's basically dangling a carrot for next year's participation but who knows what will happen next year. They may not give any points for McAllen. They may give out 30. They may give out 18 but only to Division III, IV or V officials. That's what doesn't make sense to me.
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I agree with you here, but there are other ways to look at this: is there any difference between an official who starts the year with 175 points and one who starts with 183?
Yes, and this basically is where I am now. On paper I am a Division 4 but after education points I will be a Division III at the start of next season. This could have made the difference in getting on a crew or not this year.
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Let's be honest here, how many officials actually bring their families to a state meeting?
If we weren't out of town last year during the state meeting we would have made a vacation out of it. Unfortunately we had one out of about what felt like 50 weddings that weekend.
I can say if I go to McAllen (more than likely at this point) there's almost no chance my wife is going to want to go.
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I seem to remember one year they gave points for the Sunday meetings to induce folks to stay.
I agree the points system does have draw backs but it is better than the "Approved" and whatever the crap they had for a couple of years. No one made any sense out of that.
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I agree the points system does have draw backs but it is better than the "Approved" and whatever the crap they had for a couple of years. No one made any sense out of that.
That for sure! No one liked that system.
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That's why they are listed on the points sheet under "State Meeting Bonus Points" right? :)
It's semantics really, I think it's pretty well understood if you go to a State Meeting you're probably going to be attending most of those sessions anyways.
Giving out these points after the fact just seems pointless to me. It's basically dangling a carrot for next year's participation but who knows what will happen next year. They may not give any points for McAllen. They may give out 30. They may give out 18 but only to Division III, IV or V officials. That's what doesn't make sense to me.
I'll just say that I am just the messenger. It was not told to us as "bonus points" but to prevent limiting people on the amount of training points they could receive as based on the sheet that is turned in they may have counted it as such. I do remember the form having points for each class and getting credit for what meeting you attended and not just blanket points for just showing up. I attend the meetings hoping to get something new each year whatever it may be. I also get to see people from other chapters that I have met before(shout out to the Amarillo boys and Julian in McAllen), see old friends from other chapters(Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston) and meet new people from others. Plus, since I retired from the military and don't go TDY as often, this allows me to get away when I get the chance to a different city when I can.
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Bring back a quarter of a point for youth league games. Or The Approved, Registed, and Certified. How about to be elidgible for playoffs games you must attend the state meeting (that will boost attendance). Honestly though after thinking about everything I like the idea of a meeting every 5 years and redo the TASO website to have better training materials.
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The video conferencing would be a better idea. Have the State Meeting for those who can and want to attend and simulcast to several areas around the state for all others. Let it take the place of Regional clinics and everyone must attend to be in good standing. For the few who cannot make it on that particular date, tape it and have them watch it later.
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I wonder if they will tell us at the state meeting this year that the TASO web site will be changing? hEaDbAnG :!#
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That have been saying that for at least 3 years. Whoever they contracted to do that should be ashamed, if it ever even got that far ::)
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Each district can have their own golf tourney, ZebraLope, bowling tourney, washer pitch off or whatever they wish to organize...and we can do like the schools now...all that register are winners aWaRd
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Or The Approved, Registed, and Certified.
This is/was a dumb idea. 5 divisions makes the most sense. I might adjust the point totals a little but overall its sound. I do think HS subvarsity games should be worth more than Jr. high games, if for no other reason than the game timing.
Guys leaving Texas for other states have great documentation. Many coming in here have lousy documentation of their games. So we're doing something right.
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I agree about doing an adjustment. Back when I started we had sv games on Thu and Sat. Now you can work them 6 days a week. Points are much easier to accumulate now. A D1 official should have at least 12 to 14 years of experience, minimum.
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Yes Doc, but if you remember the old SFOA days, the major conundrum was to work college ball, you had to be in div. 1, but to get in div. 1, you had to earn college points (talk about driving you cross-eyed!)- so in retrospect, we actually have come a long way!
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Yes Doc, but if you remember the old SFOA days, the major conundrum was to work college ball, you had to be in div. 1, but to get in div. 1, you had to earn college points (talk about driving you cross-eyed!)- so in retrospect, we actually have come a long way!
True, and that requirement was complete and utter BS. We are strictly a high school officiating organization now and our leaders must always keep that foremost in their minds. Some things are certainly better, no doubt. I sure would not want to go back to how we scheduled games when I started, before we used computers. It was a notebook and chalkboard. They yelled out what games were available, you yelled out if you could make it then hope the other two guys showed up because you didn't know who was supposed to be there.
Yes, many things are much better.
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Guys leaving Texas for other states have great documentation. Many coming in here have lousy documentation of their games. So we're doing something right.
I had every game documented for tax purposes when I moved here so it was very easy to get transfer points. I do wonder what some official's tax returns look like especially when they start complaining about getting 1099s. ;)
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A D1 official should have at least 12 to 14 years of experience, minimum.
Its near impossible to make DI with less than 11 years. Yeah, on paper with bonus points and specific game and education points mapped out, you can find a way to do it in 9, but reality sets in -- work, injuries, not as many assignments as expected, missed state/regional meetings, etc. And you're not going to find many D1s without 15 years of experience.
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I attended the last meeting in McAllen, the facilities were great and that was the extent of it. Guess that was last year of the "coaches", but overall every thing else was horrible. The eating places were terrible, will not ever attend another meeting in McAllen.
As for points, they do not count in our chapter, so why worry about it. Just worry how to get in with the "inner circle".
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Just out of curosity, what chapter are you in where division points don't count?
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So is 30 TASO educational points still on the table for all of the people who attend this years McAllen State Meeting; strictly as a matter of helping to prime the pump to help enrich attendance?
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Rather not say as we have folks on this board, but promise you that points do not make a hill of beans in good ole chapter. I do not know how to PM if there is such a thing.
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Arbitrator I've heard that there aren't going to be bonus points. Not sure how true that is.
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Arbitrator I've heard that there aren't going to be bonus points. Not sure how true that is.
You get 1 point for each hour of classroom session you attend. That is the bonus. All future State Meetings are apparently going to follow the same points structure.
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Arbitrator I've heard that there aren't going to be bonus points. Not sure how true that is.
You get 1 point for each hour of classroom session you attend. That is the bonus. All future State Meetings are apparently going to follow the same points structure.
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Sorry guys! Haven't been keeping you a lot of company lately, dealing with both my collegiate and high school son's. Heck, he ain't even high school any more! The little one just got back from Rome and then graduated on me, so I've been busier than a one-legged man at a butt-kicking! I even got out and worked a Spring game!
From what I hear, I do believe that Jason's info is factual. But I'll dig a tad deeper and and report back! Time for us all to start conditioning~especially me! Football season is less than 90 days away! z^
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That makes sense Jason, thanks.
Not sure the trip to McAllen will be worth it for me this year.
And it is still baseball season for me. I've barely thought about football.
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Got all but 1 of my crew going - even 6th man ^good
Flying in SW and squeezing in rental car hEaDbAnG
Most memorable part of these meetings is recognizing the group from Japan.
Got to meet them years back and enjoyed visiting. yEs:
90% of the time at the state meeting the speaker on stage during general meeting is barely audible.
Oh yes let's not forget the ZebraLope and Golf tourney awards aWaRd
Yea all we need is another coaches forum to put us out in oblivion nAnA
Hospitality tents rank OK - some of the breakouts are OK
Just need to cut out reading the powerpoints and intergrate more film in sessions pHiNzuP
The coming fashion trend of black shorts/white stripes could be the keynote of the Prez's address :!#
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Got all but 1 of my crew going - even 6th man ^good
Flying in SW and squeezing in rental car hEaDbAnG
Most memorable part of these meetings is recognizing the group from Japan.
Got to meet them years back and enjoyed visiting. yEs:
90% of the time at the state meeting the speaker on stage during general meeting is barely audible.
Oh yes let's not forget the ZebraLope and Golf tourney awards aWaRd
Yea all we need is another coaches forum to put us out in oblivion nAnA
Hospitality tents rank OK - some of the breakouts are OK
Just need to cut out reading the powerpoints and intergrate more film in sessions pHiNzuP
The coming fashion trend of black shorts/white stripes could be the keynote of the Prez's address :!#
rsquare.....the RGV guys will be running regular shuttles from Harlingen airport to the hotels. Might not need that rent car.
I guess that everyone has their own thoughts about the value of the various sessions each year. I enjoyed hearing from the Coaches and having a better understanding of the schemes (sp?) they run and what they look for from us. That doesn't mean I agree but I always like to know so I can better deal with them during the game. Just one man's opinion.
I am looking forward to being there.
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Thanks for insight.
I knew they ran shuttles last time also.
I would like the coaches to directly addressed new POE's and rule changes etc and their thinking.
Also to really get a feel of pre game expectations and timing etc.
Did have one coach admit in a clinic earlier this year how he try to "sneakingly get away with substitutions."
Hiding a couple on side on field at last possible moment.
BBW is also a controversial matter for coach's discussion to.
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Does anyone remember the panel of coaches they had, I think it was in Arlington. They had a middle school coach on the panel. The guy was clueless. He even said at one point, I just started coaching and barely know what I'm doing, so I doubt I can be of much help up here. Wow. I guess I am just one of those people who sees no value at all on the coach sessions. I'd much rather listen to Rogers or even Red Cashion or anyone with officiating experience talk about officiating than hear what coaches think we should do.
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For what it is worth I am giving the HUDL breakout presentation on Sunday from I think 9 to 10:30. I have about 30 video clips and will show you how you too can access these video clips plus 1000's more for training purposes. That is the plan at least. We all know how technology goes.
I am basically giving the same presentation here in Houston this weekend. Feel free to list any feed back on here or email me or PM me.
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Does anyone remember the panel of coaches they had, I think it was in Arlington. They had a middle school coach on the panel. The guy was clueless. He even said at one point, I just started coaching and barely know what I'm doing, so I doubt I can be of much help up here. Wow. I guess I am just one of those people who sees no value at all on the coach sessions. I'd much rather listen to Rogers or even Red Cashion or anyone with officiating experience talk about officiating than hear what coaches think we should do.
I agree.
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TASO is giving out 1 bonus point per breakout/classroom meeting attendance hour at this year's state meeting - does anyone happen to know what the total number of breakout/classroom meeting hours was this year?
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I was told 7 total
2 each for morning sessions
and 1 each for the 3 afternoon sessions
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Exactly!
The state mtg was always the fulcrum of our family vacation. It would either start or end with the state mtg. My wife used the time while I was in meetings for shopping for school clothes for my kid. Then, the off times was spent sight-seeing.
We visited lots of places, saw lots of the state, participated in lots of things ... that we probably wouldn't have w/o the attraction of the convention.
Did that for years and years.
Guess that makes me even more of an odd-ball!
:)
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How are the bonus points handled? Does TASO tell each chapter who got bonus pts and how many, or is that up to us to tell our chapter? This is the first year I went to the state meeting(out of the two years I've been officiating) so I don't know how it's handled.
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When you submit your points summary, your points are added to your account. The local chapter's administrator can access your state account. So, no, you don't need to advise anyone.
Using the member's portal, it's a good idea to check your points total. If this number doesn't agree with your personal records, investigate.