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agegbg

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Dead ball foul after the time runs out
« on: July 29, 2013, 05:53:39 AM »
3&11 @ B45 The score is A 12 B 16
A5 pass to A11 that runs to B35
B25 make a late hit on A11
The time run out under the play..

For me the game should be over..
But do you have any other suggestions?

RunRickyRun

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Re: Dead ball foul after the time runs out
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2013, 06:13:39 AM »
The only amendments I am aware of to the axiom - "The game cannot end on an accepted penalty" are

1) A mandatory clock run-off results in the end of the game - not applicable

or

2) Rule 3-1-3-g:
  • Extra Periods
    ARTICLE 3. The NCAA tiebreaker system will be used when a game is tied
    after four periods. NCAA football-playing rules apply, with the following
    exceptions:
  • g. Fouls after a change of team possession (A.R. 3-1-3-XI-XIV):
    1. Penalties against either team are declined by rule in extra periods
    (Exceptions: Penalties for flagrant personal fouls, unsportsmanlike
    conduct fouls, dead-ball personal fouls and live-ball fouls treated as
    dead-ball fouls are enforced on the succeeding play).

Since we are talking about a late hit foul, even the Overtime provision to end the game is excepted.

As I understand it, we must continue play:
One untimed down - Team A 1st & 10 from the B-20.

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Re: Dead ball foul after the time runs out
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2013, 06:37:37 AM »
The only amendments I am aware of to the axiom - "The game cannot end on an accepted penalty" are

Please read rule 3-2-3-a. The only situations where the period is extended are if there is a live-ball foul and the penalty is accepted, there are offsetting fouls, there is an inadvertent whistle, or a touchdown is scored (extend only for the try). A dead-ball foul does not cause the period to be extended.

In the original play situation, game over, team B wins.

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Re: Dead ball foul after the time runs out
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2013, 08:21:18 AM »
The only amendments I am aware of to the axiom - "The game cannot end on an accepted penalty" .....

Keep in mind that under the rules the game ended when the ball was declared dead at the end of the run on the B-35 with 0 time on the game clock.  Since the game has already ended prior to the DB foul, there is no penalty enforcement.
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Re: Dead ball foul after the time runs out
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2013, 10:29:09 AM »
Game over when it hits zero per the rules Kalle posted.  Anything that happens after that falls into the hands of the local security. 

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Re: Dead ball foul after the time runs out
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2013, 10:38:13 AM »
Just a random thought, but what if the foul was for targeting?  Would the provision for disqualification for the first half of the next game automatically take place, or would the conference have to decide?

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Re: Dead ball foul after the time runs out
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2013, 11:48:49 AM »
Please read ...
Thanks guys.

Every time I feel like I have a grasp on a rules situation, I find out I have a long way to go. :bOW