Author Topic: Dead ball UC after 50 yard run marked off from previous spot. WHAT? (Read 22260 times)

Wingmanbp · « **on:** November 18, 2014, 08:35:29 AM »

Now I am stating this from a story I heard of our local teams playoff game and will state the play as I was told.
Had a 50 yard screen and run where the ball carrier taunted the kid he ran over going out of bounds. ( stood over him pointing) Proper call. Problem is they took the ball back to the previous spot and marked off 15 yards. I couldn't believe that a crew that was awarded a playoff game does not know that this is a foul from the succeeding spot since it is a dead ball foul after the play. Isn't that correct or am I missing something?

clearwall · « **Reply #1 on:** November 18, 2014, 08:50:03 AM »

Taunting is a spot foul, so maybe they had something at the previous spot?

backjudge85 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 18, 2014, 10:35:48 AM »

Do you mind posting the game in question? Who were the teams?

Wingmanbp · « **Reply #3 on:** November 18, 2014, 10:54:00 AM »

Well I really didn't want to call out the crew. It was played in Waco ISD stadium. Not sure what chapter

backjudge85 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 18, 2014, 11:01:26 AM »

I understand that completely, however I don't look at it as calling out the crew. I look at this as a teaching moment to make sure that we (officials) don't make another mistake that might affect the outcome of a game.

Wingmanbp · « **Reply #5 on:** November 18, 2014, 11:03:07 AM »

Good Point, it was Glen Rose vs Cameron Yoe. Oh and let me make the point that it had no final bearing on the game Yoe won by 20

backjudge85 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 18, 2014, 11:07:15 AM »

Well that is a good thing. Without talking to the crew to find out the specifics on the play, I won't guess why they did what they did, only question the circumstances around the play and if there was anything else that might have affected the penalty enforcement. Thanks for the information.

Wingmanbp · « **Reply #7 on:** November 18, 2014, 11:18:45 AM »

That was my question from my source as well was there another foul that also made them take it back that maybe he forgot to state or signal or something like that.

DallasLJ · « **Reply #8 on:** November 18, 2014, 12:09:24 PM »

Quote from: Wingmanbp on November 18, 2014, 11:18:45 AM

That was my question from my source as well was there another foul that also made them take it back that maybe he forgot to state or signal or something like that.

If there was a live ball foul by the offense, it would come back to the Previous Spot and both would be enforced (assuming the UNS was Dead Ball). But then there should have been 20 or more yards of penalties.

Kalle · « **Reply #9 on:** November 18, 2014, 01:24:02 PM »

Just guessing what might cause an experienced crew to blow a call like this. Not saying that this crew blew it (haven't seen the video), and saying that we all blow calls occasionally.

My guess would be that the crew somehow managed to confuse the "newish" rule change making the live-ball UNS's live-ball fouls with the "enforce offense live ball fouls from the worst spot."

Wingmanbp · « **Reply #10 on:** November 18, 2014, 02:15:05 PM »

But isn't that still a spot foul? like a taunting as they run into the endzone is a spot foul

Phantomref · « **Reply #11 on:** November 18, 2014, 02:16:12 PM »

Quote from: Wingmanbp on November 18, 2014, 11:03:07 AM

Good Point, it was Glen Rose vs Cameron Yoe. Oh and let me make the point that it had no final bearing on the game Yoe won by 20

Maybe someone from the HOU chapter may know since the crew that worked the game was from that chapter.

Kalle · « **Reply #12 on:** November 18, 2014, 02:20:16 PM »

Quote from: Wingmanbp on November 18, 2014, 02:15:05 PM

But isn't that still a spot foul? like a taunting as they run into the endzone is a spot foul

Yes, it is. I'm just trying to figure out the reasoning behind blowing the call in this way.

clearwall · « **Reply #13 on:** November 18, 2014, 02:21:04 PM »

My friend is a GR Coach...I'll see if I can get anything.

****UPDATE*****
Who was it called back on? He found one of their big plays but doesnt see any flags. Do you know, roughly, when it happened?

clearwall · « **Reply #14 on:** November 19, 2014, 12:22:59 PM »

Here's the video. Went down as described but it was a 15-yd gain, not a 50...jet sweep to the right and out of bounds @ B34. Far out of bounds, A9 stares at and yells towards the defender causing the taunting flag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EUgWVnTFAY

Next play was 1/10 from A49. CC

Wingmanbp · « **Reply #15 on:** November 19, 2014, 12:33:36 PM »

Yeah that's a lot shorter than 50 lol and wasn't a screen pass like he told me

TxSkyBolt · « **Reply #16 on:** November 19, 2014, 01:09:42 PM »

A49?

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clearwall · « **Reply #17 on:** November 19, 2014, 01:54:59 PM »

34..39..44..49

Etref · « **Reply #18 on:** November 19, 2014, 02:21:22 PM »

B34 to A 49 is 17 yards

Wingmanbp · « **Reply #19 on:** November 19, 2014, 02:35:24 PM »

So if the next play started at the B49 then it was correctly administered. And my source has lost his mind. I would hope the latter is the case lol

Etref · « **Reply #20 on:** November 19, 2014, 02:58:58 PM »

No real surprise that a fan could get it wrong.

DallasLJ · « **Reply #21 on:** November 19, 2014, 03:14:44 PM »

Play went to the B36 -- so yes, 15 yards would be back to A49 -- which just happened to the prior LOS. And it looks like a Pass, not a Sweep.

Joe Stack · « **Reply #22 on:** November 19, 2014, 05:09:52 PM »

Why is the R standing directly behind the QB at the snap?

TxSkyBolt · « **Reply #23 on:** November 19, 2014, 05:47:03 PM »

Video shows he went OOB at the B36, not the B34.

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Wingmanbp · « **Reply #24 on:** November 20, 2014, 06:48:37 AM »

Quote from: Etref on November 19, 2014, 02:58:58 PM

No real surprise that a fan could get it wrong.