Author Topic: On Field Radio Question (Read 60890 times)

hefnerjm · « **Reply #50 on:** November 19, 2015, 09:40:07 PM »

Quote from: TexDoc on November 19, 2015, 08:39:07 PM

Already sent. TASO does not dictate the make and model. They approve or disapprove based upon the specifications from what I can tell. They form doesn't make any sense though. I think I will have to be redone.

A governing body....that publishes policy....not making sense?!?!?! You sure???

Joe Stack · « **Reply #51 on:** November 19, 2015, 09:57:25 PM »

Doc, I suggest you get ahold of Fitch and inform him on these things. I don't think the board has much of an idea about the tech involved here.

TexDoc · « **Reply #52 on:** November 19, 2015, 10:31:37 PM »

I submitted a crew request for approval to TASO. I see absolutely no reason why they should not be approved. This could be a very inexpensive alternative for a lot of officials. I will test them out by next week and reply back here. Too bad we probably won't get a chance to try them in a game till next season.

JDM · « **Reply #53 on:** November 20, 2015, 12:04:22 PM »

Quote from: TexDoc on November 19, 2015, 10:31:37 PM

I submitted a crew request for approval to TASO. I see absolutely no reason why they should not be approved. This could be a very inexpensive alternative for a lot of officials. I will test them out by next week and reply back here. Too bad we probably won't get a chance to try them in a game till next season.

Thanks for your due diligence in vetting this issue out. Having an affordable radio option will entice more crews to move to this technology enabling them to perform better on the field.

TexDoc · « **Reply #54 on:** November 20, 2015, 01:16:15 PM »

TxSkyBolt,

There are a couple of issues with the system you guys use that make the system fall outside of TASO guidelines. I'm not sure if you were aware of these.

1. TASO stipulates that the system cannot operate more than 600 yards, point to point, or 1,800 feet. The system you guys have is rated up to 900 meters, or just under 3,000 feet.
2. The system you guys have operates in the 900MHz band. The problem with the TASO request form is that is says it has to operate in the 900MHz band AND it has to be 2.4GHz spread spectrum. That's impossible. The systems operate in either the 900MHz band OR the 2.4GHz band. So, by definition of TASO's requirements, not one single unit in use by a TASO crew today passes this test. It is akin to saying you have to drive a Ford and it must be a Chevy as well.

My point is, TASO needs to go back to the drawing board and get some experts involved in defining what should and should not be allowed. They clearly have some issues understanding this technology.

One last point. The requirement that the system have PTT (push to talk) completely defeats the purpose of requiring that they have full-duplex. Really, what's the use of having full-duplex if you're having to push a button to talk? PTT essentially takes a full-duplex system to duplex (non phone-like with two people talking at once). If you aren't using VOX, and requiring the use of PTT, the requirement to be full-duplex just became moot.

riffraft · « **Reply #55 on:** November 20, 2015, 01:33:48 PM »

Quote from: TexDoc on November 20, 2015, 01:16:15 PM

One last point. The requirement that the system have PTT (push to talk) completely defeats the purpose of requiring that they have full-duplex. Really, what's the use of having full-duplex if you're having to push a button to talk? PTT essentially takes a full-duplex system to duplex (non phone-like with two people talking at once). If you aren't using VOX, and requiring the use of PTT, the requirement to be full-duplex just became moot.

How about a stupid question. If the system is VOX and full duplex. Doesn't your fellow officials whistles blow out your eardrums. Also I would think the conversations that we all have with players and coaches would get annoying to my fellow crewmembers who have no need or desire to listen in. Or is VOX like PTT in that you have to push a button to activate, the only difference is that you leave it pushed since it is full duplex and push it off when you are done with the conversation?

TexDoc · « **Reply #56 on:** November 20, 2015, 01:47:32 PM »

Quote from: riffraft on November 20, 2015, 01:33:48 PM

How about a stupid question. If the system is VOX and full duplex. Doesn't your fellow officials whistles blow out your eardrums. Also I would think the conversations that we all have with players and coaches would get annoying to my fellow crewmembers who have no need or desire to listen in. Or is VOX like PTT in that you have to push a button to activate, the only difference is that you leave it pushed since it is full duplex and push it off when you are done with the conversation?

VOX (voice activated transmission) does not require PTT. So, you are absolutely correct, the other officials will hear every whistle, conversation, and talking to yourself that goes on in VOX mode. I think we can all agree we don't want that. PTT is the only way to go, taking away the requirement for full-duplex. That simply is not necessary since each official will need to push a button to talk at separate intervals. Just plain duplex, one to one or one to many, will work very well.

Kalle · « **Reply #57 on:** November 20, 2015, 02:03:19 PM »

Quote from: riffraft on November 20, 2015, 01:33:48 PM

How about a stupid question. If the system is VOX and full duplex. Doesn't your fellow officials whistles blow out your eardrums.

The VOX systems soccer officials use have a filter for the whistle frequency.

hefnerjm · « **Reply #58 on:** November 20, 2015, 02:28:39 PM »

Quote from: Kalle on November 20, 2015, 02:03:19 PM

The VOX systems soccer officials use have a filter for the whistle frequency.

CHING CHING $$$$$$

TexDoc · « **Reply #59 on:** November 20, 2015, 02:39:52 PM »

Quote from: Kalle on November 20, 2015, 02:03:19 PM

The VOX systems soccer officials use have a filter for the whistle frequency.

I highly suspect there are a wide variety of whistles in use by TASO members. Personally, I'm old school. I like the old Acme Thunder and very much dislike anything Fox 40ish. Others really don't like the old metal whistles. To each his own.

Welpe · « **Reply #60 on:** November 20, 2015, 02:57:16 PM »

Whistle preference in soccer, especially outside of the US, seems to be much more varied than what we see in football (which is either predominantly the Fox40 or the Thunderer whistles).

I suspect the systems that soccer referees use are similar to electronic ear muffs that shooters use in that they cut out after a momentary spike in decibels. Of course that's pure speculation on my part.

TxSkyBolt · « **Reply #61 on:** November 20, 2015, 10:18:46 PM »

FYI full duplex is still full duplex even with the PTT. All 7 officials can activate their PTT and all can talk and hear each other at the same time. They don't have to wait for an interval to interject a comment. PTT only opens the mic. The radios are always transmitting and receiving.

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TexDoc · « **Reply #62 on:** November 21, 2015, 12:55:13 PM »

Quote from: TxSkyBolt on November 20, 2015, 10:18:46 PM

FYI full duplex is still full duplex even with the PTT. All 7 officials can activate their PTT and all can talk and hear each other at the same time. They don't have to wait for an interval to interject a comment. PTT only opens the mic. The radios are always transmitting and receiving.

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Understood. The pont is, it isn't necessary.

TxSkyBolt · « **Reply #63 on:** November 21, 2015, 07:40:12 PM »

You'd have to convince TASO of that.

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TexDoc · « **Reply #64 on:** November 22, 2015, 01:31:53 AM »

Don't underestimate me

Etref · « **Reply #65 on:** November 22, 2015, 08:18:48 AM »

Quote from: TxSkyBolt on November 21, 2015, 07:40:12 PM

You'd have to convince TASO of that.

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Well with the TASO social media policy, we are not supposed to discuss........
But here we are.

TexDoc · « **Reply #66 on:** November 25, 2015, 02:05:55 PM »

Received the 7 radios today. Got batteries in them and quickly set them up. Very simple. I've not done any communicating yet. There are 10,000,000,000 (10 billion) possible channel combinations, so someone listening in is practically impossible.

This isn't a very good picture, sorry.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4unqzs7no0ondto/Trisquare%20Radios.jpg?dl=0

hefnerjm · « **Reply #67 on:** November 30, 2015, 02:15:44 PM »

Looks like Sears doesnt have them anymore...website is no longer up.

Any word as to whether a TSX100 and TSX300 are compatible together?

TexDoc · « **Reply #68 on:** November 30, 2015, 04:27:57 PM »

I don't think they are compatible. They might be, but you'd have to know the codes to use on the 300 to match a 100. With 10 billion combinations, that might be tough.

TXMike · « **Reply #69 on:** December 02, 2015, 08:31:33 AM »

A little less preoccupation with gadgets, position letters, fashion, and other extraneous stuff and a little more concern over the rules and mechanics would make everyone much better. I have yet to see how my grandson's walkie talkies, or letters on the back of a shirt, or the width of a shirt stripe makes anyone a better official.

TexDoc · « **Reply #70 on:** December 02, 2015, 09:12:28 AM »

Here we go...

Coby · « **Reply #71 on:** December 02, 2015, 03:52:56 PM »

Quote from: TexDoc on December 02, 2015, 09:12:28 AM

Here we go...

Yeah because no one has ever used technology to make anything better

Since no one else on my crew reads the mechanics manual I can yell at them thru the headset when they are screwing up.

TXMike · « **Reply #72 on:** December 02, 2015, 04:00:02 PM »

Quote from: Coby on December 02, 2015, 03:52:56 PM

Yeah because no one has ever used technology to make anything better Since no one else on my crew reads the mechanics manual I can yell at them thru the headset when they are screwing up.

if you are watching what your crew is doing instead of what the players are doing then maybe YOU need to be yelled at.

TxBJ · « **Reply #73 on:** December 02, 2015, 08:01:19 PM »

Quote from: TXMike on December 02, 2015, 08:31:33 AM

A little less preoccupation with gadgets, position letters, fashion, and other extraneous stuff and a little more concern over the rules and mechanics would make everyone much better. I have yet to see how my grandson's walkie talkies, or letters on the back of a shirt, or the width of a shirt stripe makes anyone a better official.

Amen, brother.

TxSkyBolt · « **Reply #74 on:** December 02, 2015, 09:40:01 PM »

Get off my lawn

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