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CFO Pre-Season Quiz "Version 1"
« on: April 10, 2020, 09:00:39 AM »
Not sure what they mean by "Version 1," but here are my answers:

1. A, 2/2, B-38, snap.  No foul for illegal touching (not intentional).  Clock starts on snap following BC/ball going OB during last 2 mins of 2nd/4th periods.

2. A, 3/7, A-35, snap.  No foul for intentional grounding (more by philosophy than rule).

3. A, 1/10, B-35, snap.  B fouled before last gaining possession, so both live-ball fouls offset.

4. A, 3/9, B-35, ready.  Lifting the ball is a foul (Illegal Snap), and the ball never became alive, thus, no interference foul by B65.

5. Deja vu all over again.  B, F/K, B-20, F/K rules.  Impetus is with B44's fumble (like it or not); so, when it goes OB behind the goal line (after having traveled into the field of play, then returned behind the goal line), that's a safety.

6. A, 1/10, A-45, ready.  Tripping is not allowed against any player, including the ball carrier.  The 15-yard penalty is enforced from the end of A44's run.

7. A, 1/10, B-45, ready. Roughing the passer by B89 for forcible contact at/below the knees on a player in a "passing posture."  The penalty is enforced at the end of the last run (if no change of team possession during the down).

8. A, 1/10, B-30, ready.  No foul for horse-collar tackle, since the BC was not pulled down immediately.

9. A, 1/10, B-16, ready. The information given is not as complete as it needs to be. However, it appears that A88 was never "airborne," and his left foot was in contact with the ground throughout the catch.  A88's right foot had been OB, briefly, but was no longer touching the ground when he first touched the passed ball.  Since A88 had been "forced" OB, his touching of the ball was legal; thus, the pass is complete.  The contact that forced A88 OB momentarily was a DPI foul. The penalty for the DPI foul would be penalized at the previous spot, 15 yards, which would put the ball at the B-25.  The pure result of the down is A, 1/10, B-16, which is better than the penalty, so A will decline the penalty. Without information to the contrary, I conclude that A88 was tackled inbounds, so the game clock starts on the Referee's signal.

10. A, 3/14, A-26, ready.  No clock adjustment.  Again, we are left to 'interpret' some of the facts.  Replay stopped the game, but there is no indication that there is indisputable evidence regarding A1's knee touching the ground.  But, if we are to take the statement as being "affirmative," then A1 was down at the A-26.  Replay will correct the dead-ball spot.  However since the game clock would not have stopped had he been ruled down at the A-26, there will be no adjustment to the game clock (it will remain at 0:32), and it will start on the Referee's signal.  Team A can always use their final time-out, if they elect.

11. B, 1/10, A-35, snap.  Again, not as much info as we really need, but, "assuming" B32's knee was down at the B-40, Replay will correct the dead-ball spot to the B-40.  Personal fouls can not be "forgiven, just because they occur during a technical dead-ball period. So the Facemask foul will be enforced at the Succeeding Spot, taking the ball to the A-45.  Replay should also adjust the game clock, to put the amount of time consumed during the "runback" back on the clock.

12.  A, Try, B-3, no clock.  Once more, we have to make an assumption here.  But, assuming A80 was not "going to the ground" when his feet returned to the ground, i.e., he was under complete body control when he controlled the ball, then that is a catch, even though contact by the opponent caused the ball to come loose.  An upright player need only demonstrate control of the ball to be credited with a catch.  Touchdown.

I could be wrong about all of them. :)

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Re: CFO Pre-Season Quiz "Version 1"
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2020, 06:25:02 AM »
1, Should be 1st and 10 as the B-38 is beyond the LTG (B-40).

2, ING as per AR 7-3-2-II (the pass is intended to stop the clock, therefore to conserve time)? 3/17 at A-25, game clock on the ready.

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Re: CFO Pre-Season Quiz "Version 1"
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2020, 07:48:10 AM »
1, Should be 1st and 10 as the B-38 is beyond the LTG (B-40).
Of course.  Just missed the math, which we can't do.  Thanks for stepping up and saving the crew.

2, ING as per AR 7-3-2-II (the pass is intended to stop the clock, therefore to conserve time)? 3/17 at A-25, game clock on the ready.

Then every time a passer "throws the ball away" we should call an illegal pass "to conserve time," and not "to conserve yardage," because the clock will stop either way.  The CCA philosophy is that the passer can throw the ball anywhere he wants to (except straight down), IF HE IS NOT UNDER DURESS.  And the philosophy statement says that time is not a factor.  If a passer does throw the ball away while under duress late in a half, we would rule "to conserve time," rather than yardage, and start the clock on the Referee's signal (rather than the snap).
They don't tell us in which period this down occurred.  Sorry, but I'm not gonna rule "to conserve time" in the first or third periods - period. But, they do clearly state that he is not under duress. That tells me they are interested in the "philosophy" of the rule, not just the letter of the rule. We'll see what Shaw/Blandino say.

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Re: CFO Pre-Season Quiz "Version 1"
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2020, 10:04:55 AM »
Q.2 doesn't mention a quarter but it does say the clock stops with 1:04 on it which is why I think they may be hinting at that AR, otherwise why mention time at all. If they do mean 2nd or 4th, the question ought to say so.

If it was 1:04 (or any other time) in the 1st or 3rd, I agree with you. Nobody cares, no problem.

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Re: CFO Pre-Season Quiz "Version 1"
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2020, 10:32:26 AM »
Q.2 doesn't mention a quarter but it does say the clock stops with 1:04 on it which is why I think they may be hinting at that AR, otherwise why mention time at all. If they do mean 2nd or 4th, the question ought to say so.

If it was 1:04 (or any other time) in the 1st or 3rd, I agree with you. Nobody cares, no problem.

However, I believe the philosophy tells us, if he is not under duress, no foul, regardless of time in the game.  We shall see what S/B tell us.

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Re: CFO Pre-Season Quiz "Version 1"
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2020, 10:41:53 AM »
Well, there you have it.  For Q2, S/B are following the strict reading of the rule.  OK.  So, at 5:45 of period 1, when he throws the ball away while not under any duress, are we to rule ING to conserve time?  6:20 of the 2nd/4th period?  4:15?  3:12?  2:35?  1:47?  Where is our demarcation line for 'conserving time?'   

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Re: CFO Pre-Season Quiz "Version 1"
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2020, 10:57:33 AM »
And, we see Replay becoming more and more involved with judgment.  Q12 is very much judgment as to whether he had control of the ball long enough to earn a catch.  In the B's judgment - catch.  But, the RO can change that to incomplete, almost strictly based on his judgment regarding the time element.

And so it goes.