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Helmet off by foul
« on: September 10, 2026, 04:49:24 PM »
Actually had this happen.
Ball carrier A11 is running off-tackle to the left when an opponent grabs his facemask (big time, foul called), and pulls the helmet off, which causes A11 to fumble. The ball bounces hard left about 5 yards, with A11 in chase. The ball manages to bounce off another player back toward A11, who recovers while going to the ground. From fumble to recovery was approx 2-full seconds.
Hmm. What to do now? Do we consider A11’s action continued participation? Or does this qualify as “…the immediate action of which they are engaged”?

We went with FMM only, and allowed A11 to remain in the game.

What would you have done?

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Re: Helmet off by foul
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2026, 07:12:40 PM »
I'd do exactly what you did. 2 seconds isn't a long time, and IMO it's not enough time for him to make a concerted effort to continue participating.

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Re: Helmet off by foul
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2026, 11:31:18 PM »
I agree with that.

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Re: Helmet off by foul
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2026, 04:11:00 AM »
Sounds like continuous action to me.

Compare this to what I had a few years ago. 1/10@A-20. Immediately after the snap CB B81 contacts WR A92 and grabs his facemask, violently pulling the helmet completely off. A92 shrugs the contact off and runs his route. B81 then proceeds to throw the helmet towards A92 (not hitting him). The deep pass from A12 towards A92 falls incomplete at A-45. I (FJ) had flags down for FM and UNS on B91 and continuing participation on A92. Penalties were offset and B91 was ejected. A92 was allowed to participate on the next down.

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Re: Helmet off by foul
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2026, 07:21:42 AM »
Shouldn't the UNS have been live ball treated as dead ball, enforced after the offset of the two others?

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Re: Helmet off by foul
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2026, 08:30:13 AM »
Not for the last 12 years or so. That is only for UNS fouls by non-players now.

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Re: Helmet off by foul
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2026, 11:18:29 AM »
Thanks - I asked before my Red Bull this morning lol.

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Re: Helmet off by foul
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2026, 06:44:08 PM »
OK, I'm sure I'm missing something but the ball would be dead as soon as the ball carrier's helmet came off. No play, no participation after the play

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Re: Helmet off by foul
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2026, 12:00:22 AM »
OK, I'm sure I'm missing something but the ball would be dead as soon as the ball carrier's helmet came off. No play, no participation after the play

What ball carrier?

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Re: Helmet off by foul
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 09:29:19 AM »
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