State Championship Fees

[TXMike]

Reportedly UIL took all the gates from Mansfield and Jerry World and gave each guy, regardless of the game worked, $1,100.  This is 3d hand info so may or may not be accurate.  Some who are closer may have better intell.

[TexDoc]

Beat my $125 2A state championship game a few years ago!

[TXMike]

Well, you know what they say...you get what you pay for...

[JasonTX]

My estimate based upon the reported attendence at Jerrys' World would have yielded $880 per official.  My biggest was $251 for a semi final.

[smt 1]

Third hand information is absolutely "you get what you pay for".  Totally false statement about $1,100 per official for the games last weekend.  Yes, I have better intell.  Nice rumor though.

[WABill]

Reportedly UIL took all the gates from Mansfield and Jerry World and gave each guy, regardless of the game worked, $1,100.  This is 3d hand info so may or may not be accurate.  Some who are closer may have better intell.

And I thought it was only in Chicago politics that "paid" you to vote your conscious!

[TXMike]

Third hand information is absolutely "you get what you pay for".  Totally false statement about $1,100 per official for the games last weekend.  Yes, I have better intell.  Nice rumor though.

And the rest of the story is?  ?  ? 

[blindref757]

If this average gate and equal $1100 payment is remotely true, it is fantastic in my opinion.  A state final is a state final--the guys who work these games are some of the best from each chapter that they are from.  This eliminates the "class warfare" that is often created when one group gets $125 and another group gets $800.

This might be one of the best things Timmons has done since he got the job.  I'll give credit where it is due.

[Etref]

If it were true it would be great for the officials involved.



However, it would be a violation of 1204. If one group can make and exception can not another group?

[blindref757]

With multiple games at a same location where one ticket gets you in all the games...how else could they do it fairly?

I think that this is a unique situation that has been addressed by 1204 in other sports (ie. tournament fees for basketball).

The only people who should be complaining are the state basketball tournament officials!  They work 3 games in front of a sold out arena...for about $100/game plus meals, hotel, and a flat mileage stipend.

[TXMike]

If this average gate and equal $1100 payment is remotely true, it is fantastic in my opinion.  A state final is a state final--the guys who work these games are some of the best from each chapter that they are from.  This eliminates the "class warfare" that is often created when one group gets $125 and another group gets $800.

This might be one of the best things Timmons has done since he got the job.  I'll give credit where it is due.

So would you support eliminating the pay by gate system and go to a flat rate also?  If the crowds in Mansfield were smaller than the crowds in Jerry World why should they gate the same pay?

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2010/dec/23/texas-cradle-of-coaches-produces-2-more-champs/

The attendance and TV ratings suggest having the new format of having state championship games scheduled together was a success. Cowboys Stadium in Arlington hosted the Class 5A, 4A and 3A championship games. Vernon Newsom Stadium in Mansfield hosted the 2A and 1A games.

The 5A Division I game between Euless Trinity and Pearland drew a crowd of 43,321 — the sixth-largest crowd to ever see a high-school football game in Texas. The 5A D-II game between Cibolo Steele and Denton Guyer drew 37,774.

In 4A, the D-I game between Denton Ryan and Austin Lake Travis drew 20,487 while the D-II game between Aledo and La Marque drew 27,330.

In 3A, the D-I game between Henderson and Tyler Chapel Hill drew 20,560 while the D-II game between Carthage and Coldspring drew 12,370.

At Mansfield, official attendance figures weren’t kept, but the 1A D-I game between Mart and Goldthwaite drew an estimated crowd of 7,000. There were even more fans for both the 2A title games.

Overall, University Interscholastic League officials estimate more than 200,000 fans attended all 10 of the 11-man state championship games. Ticket prices were $15 at Arlington and $10 at Mansfield

[blindref757]

Yes...I think a flat rate should be strongly considered. 

I've never once heard any referee I know say, "Man!  I think they really over-paid us for that game!  There is no way the gate receipts were at the $10K level, but we got $150 for that game!". (I didnt look up the payscale so forgive me if this figure is off.)  Under the current system, I believe we get screwed nearly every Friday night...regardless of the classification of the game.

I think the flat rate should start at $100 for a 1a game and increase incrementally to $200 for a 5a game.  With a $50 premium for the first two rounds of the playoffs, $75 up to semi-finals, and $200 for a final.

I realize that this would be far less than current for a few who work a lot of high profile games, but it would solve a lot of problems for a lot of chapters.  Maybe that's not such a free market idea, but this really isn't a free market arena.  Whether it should be or not is a different debate. 

[JasonTX]

Yes...I think a flat rate should be strongly considered. 

I've never once heard any referee I know say, "Man!  I think they really over-paid us for that game!  There is no way the gate receipts were at the $10K level, but we got $150 for that game!". (I didnt look up the payscale so forgive me if this figure is off.)  Under the current system, I believe we get screwed nearly every Friday night...regardless of the classification of the game.

I think the flat rate should start at $100 for a 1a game and increase incrementally to $200 for a 5a game.  With a $50 premium for the first two rounds of the playoffs, $75 up to semi-finals, and $200 for a final.

I realize that this would be far less than current for a few who work a lot of high profile games, but it would solve a lot of problems for a lot of chapters.  Maybe that's not such a free market idea, but this really isn't a free market arena.  Whether it should be or not is a different debate. 

Why not go $100 for the 5A and $200 for 1A?  I realize they can't afford that so I'm just thinking of ways to make sure the 1A gets top officials as well.  It will also weed out those who are looking for financial gain.  If you want money, drop down and go work some 1A games. 

[Curious]

And then there's Michigan; where the game fee is $55 for all finals (but you do get a DVD of the game, a snack, and a program).

Don't complain!

[TXMike]

Most of us would do championship for free.  The issue is reg season

[Curious]

Most of us would do championship for free.  The issue is reg season

Thread says: "State Championship Fees".  However, in our case, that amounts to the same thing....

During the regular season we might have games with 5 fans to 5000+.  State Final games, over two days, in 8 divisions, average 10,000 to 30,000.  One $10 ticket gets you 4 games.  All officials are paid the same.

[Rulesman]

I'm sure I'll step on toes, but........

Reading some of these threads (State Specific in particular), I've come to the conclusion a small group of Texas officials have become notorious for whining about things that make the rest of us just shake our heads and wonder what would happpen if they were placed in the regular world with the rest of us.

In 2009, I worked a game that turned out to be in front of the largest high school crowd in state history and was paid $100. This year we worked the same game and received $80. When it comes to game fees and facilities, they just don't realize how good they've got it.

[Arbitrator]

And then there's Michigan; where the game fee is $55 for all finals (but you do get a DVD of the game, a snack, and a program).

Don't complain!

 

Which is where the UIL plans to go with this thing once they would have the unfettered opportunity to take over high school football officiating in Texas! Except they'll go one better: They'll include a UIL cap for all of the officials!  

[DallasLJ]

I'm sure I'll step on toes, but........

Reading some of these threads (State Specific in particular), I've come to the conclusion a small group of Texas officials have become notorious for whining about things that make the rest of us just shake our heads and wonder what would happpen if they were placed in the regular world with the rest of us.

In 2009, I worked a game that turned out to be in front of the largest high school crowd in state history and was paid $100. This year we worked the same game and received $80. When it comes to game fees and facilities, they just don't realize how good they've got it.

  We know we have it good --- but why wouldn't we want to keep it that way.  If the schools have been paying it, and not losing money doing so, why should we volunteer to allow it to change.  Since are fees are based on a percentage of the gate, if the gate revenue for the school goes up, we get a little bigger paycheck.  Nothing wrong with that.  Just the way it is here in Texas --- and has been.

[Arbitrator]

  We know we have it good --- but why wouldn't we want to keep it that way.  If the schools have been paying it, and not losing money doing so, why should we volunteer to allow it to change.  Since are fees are based on a percentage of the gate, if the gate revenue for the school goes up, we get a little bigger paycheck.  Nothing wrong with that.  Just the way it is here in Texas --- and has been.

 

And I might add that in addition to a percentage of the gate, we are supposed to get other perks that UIL 1204 dictates, and that the UIL is supposed to duly uphold; but good luck in getting any assistance from them if your paycheck is wrong. From personal experience, the Manor Road Crowd will only tell you to just work it out with the school district.

Should the UIL ever succeed in taking over, the prevalent "flat fee" will only add to the UIL coffers directly from the pockets of us Texas high school officials.   

[NTXRef]

The 5A Division I game between Euless Trinity and Pearland drew a crowd of 43,321 — the sixth-largest crowd to ever see a high-school football game in Texas. The 5A D-II game between Cibolo Steele and Denton Guyer drew 37,774.

In 4A, the D-I game between Denton Ryan and Austin Lake Travis drew 20,487 while the D-II game between Aledo and La Marque drew 27,330.

In 3A, the D-I game between Henderson and Tyler Chapel Hill drew 20,560 while the D-II game between Carthage and Coldspring drew 12,370.

How can they determine the attendence for different games at the same venue the same day?   I guess a better way of saying that when game X, this is how many paid.  (If you notice the number goes up as the day wears on).   Also, how did they determine that was the number seeing the final game.   I'm sure that were some people that left that were only interested in only one of the earlier games.   This assumes that once you pay, you stay.

I had the privilege to work a game last year at Jerry's World where we were the 4th of 4 (and supposedly largest  crowd).  We got less than $500 which was the same for all 4 crews.  Lewisville ISD was the host and did all of the math.   Based on that and similar crowd for championship games, but only 3 games, my guess would be that the fee would be $700-$800.   I probably would have done the game for free (don't tell anybody that), but you have to keep score somehow.