10 sec runoff pre-"ready"?

[Hursk]

Apologize if this has been addressed, but I couldn't find it if it was.

Score tied, no TO's for either side, less than 1 min in half, running clock, 2d/2/B32 Team A is tackled inbounds at the B31.  Runner A23 struggles to untangle so that he can get back in the hurry up offense, when A) he is held by B55 in an effort to prevent him from getting back in formation, or B) A23 intentionally kicks the players around him while on the ground so that he can get back up (assume he's not intentionally being restrained).

Run 10 possible in both isn't it?   

[Hawkeye]

Yes, in both scenarios, the clock is stopped as a result of the penalty (it would have continued to run otherwise), therefore it meets the premise of the 10-second runoff.

[Diablo]

The offended team can accept the penalty yardage, but decline the 10 second subtraction.  A likely option in (a).

[clearwall]

Why would you runoff in A? I thought the intent of that rule was to prevent the team ahead from causing more time to run off the clock. In A, it seems the team behind is the offense who is the one being restrained. Why are you punishing them?

[El Macman]

Do what you want, but I know two FBS staffs that were told not to use the term "runoff." Use "subtraction."

[Hawkeye]

Why would you runoff in A? I thought the intent of that rule was to prevent the team ahead from causing more time to run off the clock. In A, it seems the team behind is the offense who is the one being restrained. Why are you punishing them?

As Diablo pointed out, the offended team can decline the 10 second subtraction portion of the penalty.  But as the rule is written, both scenarios have fouls that qualify for 10 second subtraction.

[Hursk]

Do what you want, but I know two FBS staffs that were told not to use the term "runoff." Use "subtraction."

Good point, we were told the same.... better to practice here than on an open mike! 
Thanks guys...just reinforcing my understanding that the "subtraction" rule has a much broader application than the false start scenario that we typically discuss.

[TXMike]

You R's are chickens___ if you don't use Rom Gilbert's description of this when you are miked up, i.e.

"By rule, State University's foul is a Zap10 foul so Bubba, please take 10 seconds off the clock."

[Hursk]

It does have a certain appeal... maybe in '12, we can simply say "Under a minute Bubba, do your thang!"