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Poll: Forty percent would steer kids away from football
« on: January 31, 2014, 01:40:30 AM »
I'm seriously starting to worry about all the hype about concussion in football. Even the president is against us now. And unfortunately the statistics being used make it look like the problem is getting worse instead of better. One recent article stated that concussions stated that between 1998 and 2011 concussions have increased by 16% annually. The problem with this statistic is that there were probably the same amount of concussions but they are reported more. Also, the diagnosis of a concussion has changed. When I went through paramedic school in 1988, we were told that there has to be a loss of consciousness for a patient to have sustained a concussion. Now that is not the case.

It is important of for us as official to do our best to protect the player by enforcing the rules.

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A young football player lines up on defense during a 6th grade youth football game in Richardson, Texas, in 2010. Some of the players were using a new type of football helmet designed to reduce the risk of concussions.
Forty percent of Americans say they would encourage their children to play a different sport than football due to concerns about concussions, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

This comes just days before the Super Bowl and in the midst of a major ongoing lawsuit which questions whether the National Football League did enough to prevent concussions or provide care for players suffering from brain injuries.

There is a striking split when it comes to how those at different income levels see the issue. Forty seven percent of respondents making the highest incomes (more than $75,000 per year) say don’t want their children playing football due to these concerns while just 28 percent of those with the lowest incomes (less than $30,000) say the same.

Still, 57 percent of Americans in the survey say they would have no problem if their child wanted to play organized football.

"I think it's important for parents, especially parents of youngsters under 14, to have this discussion,” said Dr. Robert Cantu, a professor of neurology and neurosurgery and co-director of Boston University’s Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy. “If the youngster doesn't have a passion for a sport with a high risk of head injury than he is probably better off with some other sport."

Last year, the National Football League reached a $765 million settlement with thousands of retired former players – including some suffering from concussion-related injuries – who had filed a lawsuit alleging that the league failed to disclose the dangers of head trauma. But a federal judge denied the settlement’s early approval, arguing that the sum might not be enough to cover all concussion-related claims.

A series of high-profile suicides in recent years have shed light on the long-term damage that violent blows to the head can have on players long after they step off the field. Retired all-pro linebacker Junior Seau had a degenerative brain disease when he was found dead in 2012 with a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest. Seau’s death followed the suicides of former NFL players Dave Duerson and Ray Easterling, both of whom complained that their years of the gridiron led to a deteriorating mental state.

More and more former NFL players are speaking out about the impact that football has had on them later in life. Rayfield Wright, a star offensive lineman for the Dallas Cowboys in the 1970s, revealed for the first time on Sunday that he suffers from dementia. “These young players, they have no idea what’s in store for them,” he told the New York Times . “They don’t know.”

Star quarterback Brett Favre told NBC’s TODAY show in November that he has experienced warning signs of the toll football has taken on him, including glaring memory lapses like not being able to recall that his youngest daughter played soccer.

“I don't remember her playing soccer … that was probably where my first inclination that something ain't right," he said.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has been criticized for not doing enough to prevent head injuries and educate players about the potential long-term impact of head trauma. But the NFL points to a series of recent rules changes as proof the league is addressing the issue.  New rules like moving up the kickoff line, stricter penalties for hits to the head and diagnosing concussions on the sidelines are all policies the league has implemented in an effort to lower the amount of concussions.

The NFL said on Thursday that in the last year, there was a 13 percent drop in game and practice concussions .

Forty one percent of Americans in the poll – including 59 percent who say they follow professional football closely – say they believe the NFL has taken meaningful action to reduce and prevent concessions.  Another 20 percent think the NFL hasn’t taken meaningful action, and 38 percent say they don’t know enough to have an opinion.

Last week, Goodell said he would be open to allowing players to use medical marijuana if experts could show it helped treat concussions.

President Barack Obama has even weighed in on the issue. “I would not let my son play pro football,” he recently told The New Yorker magazine .

Even recent NFL greats like Troy Aikman and Kurt Warner have said they would hesitate to allow their children to play football.

The NBC/WSJ poll was conducted Jan. 22-25 of 800 adults (including 240 cell phone-only respondents), and it has an overall margin of error of plus-minus 3.5 percentage points.

NBC News contributor Linda Carroll and NBC’s Andrew Rafferty contributed to this report.

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Re: Poll: Forty percent would steer kids away from football
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2014, 04:05:41 AM »
If I were in that position, I don't think my fears would be so much about it being a dangerous sport necessarily, so much as they would be about how some of the people at the top of it were actively trying to cover up the issue of concussions in pretty much full-on Big Tobacco style, and what implications that has for other football-related health issues.

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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2014, 09:03:06 AM »
Also, the diagnosis of a concussion has changed. When I went through paramedic school in 1988, we were told that there has to be a loss of consciousness for a patient to have sustained a concussion.

This is a big reason for the increased number of concussions.  Last year I had the privilege of hearing a former NFL player (and current football official) speak on this topic.  He was involved in a study on concussions done by the NFL of 100 former players.  He said the first question they asked him was, "How many concussions did you have while you were playing?"  His response was, "Are you talking about a 1975 concussion or a 2013 concussion?"  I think he said he had 4 or 5, but if he was playing today, that number would have been much higher. 

As with many other things, awareness seems to make things worse when they actually could have improved.

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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2014, 09:55:14 AM »
It is our job to insure that safety is stressed in rule changes, in rule enforcement and in public perception. The high-tech helmets available today do a great job in preventing skull fractures, but do not assist in preventing spinal cord injuries or concussions. The violent jarring of the brain causes concussions ...the violent jarring of the brain still occurs with the violent jarring of the head, even with the helmet present. We need to stress this to our fellow officials - to make the correct call, to the coaches- to teach keeping their helmet out, to the players - to practice keeping their helmet out, to their parents - to remind their children , and to the media- to promote that we are aware of the problem and doing all we can to make our game safer.

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Re: Poll: Forty percent would steer kids away from football
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2014, 10:20:28 AM »
The title of 40% would steer kids away...
Interesting how this number would have looked 5, 10 or 15 yrs ago. - just to compare.
I always remember mamas & dads not wanting their kids to play football 'caue they might get hurt'.
Whether it has always been 40% or higher, or lower would be nice to compare.
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Re: Poll: Forty percent would steer kids away from football
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2014, 01:45:10 PM »
Heck, my mom tried to steer me away 45 years ago!
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Re: Poll: Forty percent would steer kids away from football
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2014, 02:01:32 PM »
It is our job to insure that safety is stressed in rule changes, in rule enforcement and in public perception. The high-tech helmets available today do a great job in preventing skull fractures, but do not assist in preventing spinal cord injuries or concussions. The violent jarring of the brain causes concussions ...the violent jarring of the brain still occurs with the violent jarring of the head, even with the helmet present. We need to stress this to our fellow officials - to make the correct call, to the coaches- to teach keeping their helmet out, to the players - to practice keeping their helmet out, to their parents - to remind their children , and to the media- to promote that we are aware of the problem and doing all we can to make our game safer.

Great points, Ralph.  All sports that involve collisions or the potential for collisions need to ensure their participants are taught the proper, safe techniques for playing them, in addition to having the proper equipment worn correctly.

Football has a great chance to show leadership across the board on these issues since it is so closely associated with collision-based concussions.  And I say all this having had a kid participating in a sport with an even higher rate of injury and concussion- competitive cheerleading.  My daughter at 19 has already had as many fully-diagnosed concussions as I had in my relatively short football playing career.

We officials need to continue to do our part in enforcing the rules and following the guidance and direction from our supervisors and assignors.

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Re: Poll: Forty percent would steer kids away from football
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2014, 04:07:27 PM »
Far be it from me to suggest that this topic and all the data that is being reported may perhaps be somewhat jumbled all together, painting a somewhat inaccurate picture.  It seems the bulk of the reporting relating to accumulated damage from concussions relates to former professional NFL players, who some seem to forget, play the game at a level INCREDIBLY higher than the vast majority of people who play football.

There is no doubt that football played at the NFL level involves repetitive collisions between much larger and much more talented athletes with far greater skills that those participating at the yout football, High School and "most" Collegiate levels.  In far too may publications, sadly especially those associated with sports reporting, exaggeration  is far more prevelant than accuracy or presenting enough detail to form a complete, overall understanding of whatever issue is being hyped.

Like all sports, and very likely somewhat more than others, injuries are possible from playing football, but the severity of the same types of injuries, experienced at a dramatically lower frequency at the scholastic levels, than those same types of injuries experienced at the professional (NFL) level pose a far lower risk that the results related to professional football.

 

 

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Re: Poll: Forty percent would steer kids away from football
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2014, 10:53:58 PM »
Last year waiting for the AD to get our paperwork ready for a JV game, the mothers working the gate were talking about concussions and asked another official and myself if we played football and if we ever had a concussion. The other official could not remember having any. I told them that I had 3 over the 7 years (pee wee through high school) I played. The one mother said that was to many and she was going to have her sons switch to soccer. I told her my daughter played youth soccer and high school soccer and she also had 3 concussions and one of hers was much worse the any one I had.
Not sure what her sons will get to do now...
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Re: Poll: Forty percent would steer kids away from football
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2014, 12:53:19 AM »
If I had any sons, I'd definitely put myself in that 40%. I know that sounds strange coming from a football official but there you have it.

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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2014, 08:05:28 PM »
I'd also be worried about knees as much as brains.  I've seen too many ex-players in their late 30s and 40s walking around the place in obvious discomfort.  They could have another 50 years to live and that's only going to get worse for them.

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2014, 12:04:57 PM »
The illusion of eliminating any, and all, personal risk from many athletic activities, is not limited to football, and in some instances proves to be counterproductive.  It's no secret that the enhancements of protective gear, in addition to providing for added protection against known risks, very often also produces a false sense of invulnerability that reduces basic, and still required and natural, cautions against excessive behavior.

While serving to minimize known risk, enhanced protective gear often serves to encourage behavior that elevates personal risk in areas previously protected by common sense and understanding of the risk involved and the need for basic precautions.  Several decades ago, the expanded presence of protective gear caused certain basic playing techniques to modify into higher risk performance.  Most of those practices, which proved to be somewhat effective, but created much higher risk for serious personal injury, have since been discredited and largely abandoned in favor of equally effective techniques which offer the same, or better, performance, while specifically avoiding techniques that specifically included an unacceptable and higher risk level for the player.

Rule adjustments follow that focus to prohibit techniques that are judged to present risk that outweighs benefits and encourages alternate approaches to dealing with competitive situations.


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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2014, 03:27:37 PM »
My reluctance in wanting my children to play football is grounded in the fairly recent findings regarding CTE. It's rather chilling to me that they're finding evidence of long term damage in players that only played in high school along with the fact that it's not just concussions but also lower impact and more frequent collisions that are causing this damage.

I know there's a lot of research to be done still so I am hoping and praying this is overblown. I have a gut feeling though that we're just at the tip of the iceberg with it.

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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2014, 04:35:28 PM »
I'm really hoping this is because of media sensationalism and overblown. Now if I had a son (Which I probably never will) I probably wouldn't think twice. My dad didn't, my grandfather didn't when my uncles played, and my great-grandfather sure didn't when his son was both a track star and a star running back.

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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2014, 09:25:46 AM »
Perhaps it's just wishful thinking, but I believe the risk factor for serious, and unnecessary, injuries is far more the product of decades of departure from correctly teaching basic contact techniques, that were long ago designed specifically to avoid dangerous collisions.  Along with the explosion of popularity of the professional game, in the late 1940s, pressure to increase the demonsrable violence of player collisions has steadily increased, and gradually filtered down to the earliest levels.

There's no denying the popularity of players "blowing each other up", the dramatic effect and popularity of slow motion repetition and hyping of the most violent collisions has steadily expanded the envelope.  We (Officials) are not blameless for allowing (which only encourages) questionable contacts, which over the past 60+ years has slowly and gradually pushed the "line" to where many dangerous contacts are accepted, far too often. Pressures, we all understand we should ignore, are far more consistent in recent years.  It may not be that there are a lot more idiots watching football, rather a lot fewer rational people willing to challenge and silence the idiots.

However, a major contributor to this problem rests on the shoulders of Coaching, which not unexpectedly, reacts and responds to pressures exerted by the sport's popularity and demand for MORE VIOLENT collisions.  This is especially prevelent on the Youth Football level where a far greater percentage of instruction is based on techniques and practices taught when current Coaches were players, who were taught techniques that have since been discredited or discarded.

The competitive focus, which has lowered the "Winning at all costs" mantra has so often filtered down to the youngest levels, who are supposed to be engaged in a "learning level" to appreciate the sport.  Rather than learn the game, experience the benefits of teamwork, understand the purpose of competition and build an understanding of respect for competitors, sometimes suggestions of competitors being an enemy, and enemies deserve to be destroyed is difficult for young minds to fully absorb and comprehend, as hopefully intended. 

It's easy for EVERYONE to forget that under all that equipment, we're mostly dealing with little kids, who like little puppies, are overly eager to please and aren't always able to differentiate between an exaggerated, or graphic, challenge and an actual instruction to behave a certain way. 

Football is really a great game that teaches a long list of really valuable life lessons that benefit players throughout their lifetimes.  It's a game that is way too complicated that it needs to be carefully taught, and over it's lifetime has made appropriate and necessary adjustments when things taught stretched the envelope too far.  The pressures that increasing popularity brings to "improve" things too far, too fast to satisfy the wrong instincts is always part of the challenge. 

Sometimes even "Popularity" can be a negative when allowed to go too far (Gladatorial Games were all sellouts).  We all have a roll to play in helping dial back problems we see developing.  Coaches lean new techniques, Rule Makers make necessary adjustments and Officials tighnten enforcement.  It may be best to leave the pubic, especially the loud ones, out of the adjustment process.  If the rest of us do our jobs, it will work out.   

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Re: Poll: Forty percent would steer kids away from football
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2014, 02:17:31 AM »
I have 2 girls - and I would let them play football (there are girls teams here in Germany). Granted, they are not hitting as hard, but I would allow them to play football or rugby. I would not however allow them to do cheer-leading (both due to the social aspects and the injury risk).

As for concussions - As someone who played at various levels for over 20 years - I agree that the standard seems to have changed. Before it used to be a 'bell-ringer' and we had to shake it off. Now - off for a CT or MRI or whatever it was they stuck me in last time...

One thing I will say,
Adolescent (and I mean up to about 25 years) young men generally do not think of their own mortality or the long term consequences of their actions. The never have and probably never will. If we ban football, they will find something else to do that is dangerous - Par Cour or Snowboarding, Extreme Skateboarding or they take up sword fighting...


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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2014, 07:29:41 AM »
I have 2 girls - and I would let them play football (there are girls teams here in Germany). Granted, they are not hitting as hard, but I would allow them to play football or rugby. I would not however allow them to do cheer-leading (both due to the social aspects and the injury risk).
Curious to know what you mean by "social aspects?"
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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2014, 03:03:40 PM »
Curious to know what you mean by "social aspects?"

Heard a teacher say they would be the cheerleader sponsor only if all of the kids were orphans!
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2014, 03:04:56 PM »
AAhhhhh.......... Mamas and Daddys.  hEaDbAnG
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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2014, 04:56:48 PM »
Adolescent (and I mean up to about 25 years) young men generally do not think of their own mortality or the long term consequences of their actions. The never have and probably never will.

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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2014, 10:50:11 AM »
Have a friend whose son was a very good middle school player. Upon entering high school, he informed his dad that he was joining the golf team (fall sport in Maine). His rationale : " I can play golf for the rest of my life, I'll only be able to play football through high school and then hobble around from football injuries thereafter." Smart kid ... hard to argue back...... :(
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Re: Poll: Forty percent would steer kids away from football
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2014, 03:19:17 PM »
His Dad could have suggested; whatever game you choose to play, learn the proper techniques which are usually designed to prevent unnecessary injuries, and stay away from really dumb ideas from people who seem more concerned with gaining everyone's attention , even by doing the wrong things.

Then adding, by the way, give me the keys to your car until you learn the value of what I just told you.

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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2014, 09:53:51 AM »
His Dad could have suggested; whatever game you choose to play, learn the proper techniques which are usually designed to prevent unnecessary injuries, and stay away from really dumb ideas from people who seem more concerned with gaining everyone's attention , even by doing the wrong things.

Then adding, by the way, give me the keys to your car until you learn the value of what I just told you.
His Dad could have also added ; "The star QB gets to date the prom queen, while the star golfer gets a plastic trophy. Son, what would you prefer???"

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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2014, 02:26:28 PM »
What if the prom queen is a plastic trophy?

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« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2014, 07:29:26 AM »
What if the prom queen is a plastic trophy?

Then he needs to transfer to a school that's not all male.