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Offline golfingref

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Help needed. PSK or not?
« on: September 08, 2011, 09:37:57 PM »
Scrimmage kick from K30. Hold by R during the kick. Catch made at R35. Facemask by K at the end of the run, R45. My thoughts are R can decline the foul by K and snap the ball at the R25 after their foul has been stepped off from the EOK, or R can accept K's foul and have K re-kick. I am having trouble finding the rule to support or refute this.

Wont_Do_To_Tell

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Re: Help needed. PSK or not?
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2011, 11:30:15 PM »
I think 10-2-3 supports your decision.  R must decline and then have his foul enforced from PSK spot.  R must make his decision first before K has an opportunity to accept or decline.

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Re: Help needed. PSK or not?
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2011, 07:25:52 AM »
Look at 10.2.1 D. It's not the same foul by K, but that doesn't matter: the same principle applies. R must decline the penalty for K's foul in order to keep the ball or create a double foul. If R declines the penalty on K, the enforcement is PSK.

Offline Atlanta Blue

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Re: Help needed. PSK or not?
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2011, 08:02:54 AM »
I think 10-2-3 supports your decision.  R must decline and then have his foul enforced from PSK spot.  R must make his decision first before K has an opportunity to accept or decline.

I don't beleive K has a choice.  If R accepts K's foul, it is automatically a double foul, and the down is replayed.

mbyron

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Re: Help needed. PSK or not?
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2011, 08:52:15 AM »
I don't beleive K has a choice.  If R accepts K's foul, it is automatically a double foul, and the down is replayed.

Correct. 10.2.1 C and D illustrate cases where R has a choice: decline the foul(s) by K, or create a double foul. K has no choice.

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Re: Help needed. PSK or not?
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2011, 09:42:50 AM »
Correct. 10.2.1 C and D illustrate cases where R has a choice: decline the foul(s) by K, or create a double foul. K has no choice.

mb and ab......the 10.2.1 C and D examples show a play where K fouls before the change of possession.  I would agree, in this case, if R accepts K's fouls, it's a double foul.  K has no choice.

But if i understand the original question.  We have foul by R that would be enforced using PSK and then after that foul, during the run, we have a foul by K, which would be after the change of possession.  That's why i ref. 10-2-3. 

Most likely K will accept the penalty, but i think the rule just says R has to make his decision first, then K gets to choose his.  If R accepts, then i'm sure K will accept and create the double foul, however if R declines, then K gets a choice and most likely will accept. If K declines the penalty, which again is highly unlikely, then you just have the result of the play.

i can't find a play in the case book or reddings that is just like this one so i definately could be wrong.  What say you?

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Re: Help needed. PSK or not?
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2011, 10:52:33 AM »
Rule 10-2-2 and 3 cover the order in which the fouls are administered