Youth football Overtime

[Sittinduck13]

We played a youth football game last weekend. This league plays under NCAA rules. The only change is we start on the 15 yard line, not the 25. The game went into overtime. Team A won the toss and goes first. They go 3 downs with no success. On Fourth down they pass the ball and it is intercepted by team B at the 5 yard line. That player then try's to return the ball. He runs 5 yards to the 10 yard line where he fumbles the ball. There is a scrum and team A recovers the ball at the 11 yard line. The ball is given back to team A on the 11 yard line for a new series of 4 downs. Is this the correct call?

[NVFOA_Ump]

NCAA Rule 3-1-3-e. Possession series: Each team retains the ball during a possession series until it scores or fails to make a first down. The ball remains alive after a change of team possession until it is declared dead. However, Team A may not have a first and 10 if it again possesses the ball after a change of team possession (A.R. 3-1-3-I-IX).

AR 3-1-3-VI. During the first possession series of a period, Team B gains possession and then loses possession to Team A, which (a) scores a touchdown; (b) does not score a touchdown.

RULING: (a) The score counts. In both (a) and (b), Team A’s possession series ends and Team B begins its possession series.

[TexDoc]

No:

Possession series: Each team retains the ball during a possession series until
it scores or fails to make a first down. The ball remains alive after a change
of team possession until it is declared dead. However, Team A may not have
a first and 10 if it again possesses the ball after a change of team possession

[Diablo]

Is this the correct call?

I say, "No". 
When a change of team possession occurs during a down in extra periods, that possession series will end when the ball is declared dead.  If the change of team possession occurred in the first possession series in an extra period, Team B will get the ball for the second possession series of that period.  If the CoP occurred during the second possession series of an extra period, that period ends.

[Sittinduck13]

NVFOA ump:So this results in a Team A first and ten or a team B first and ten?

[maven]

NVFOA ump:So this results in a Team A first and ten or a team B first and ten?

A's half inning ends when they lose possession. If B scores after gaining possession, it counts. If B loses possession, A recovers, and A scores during the down, it counts. If B loses possession, A recovers, but A fails to score during the down, their half inning is over.

[Morningrise]

A-B-A = series over. Always.

(However, if B touches A's field goal attempt downfield, and A legally recovers, then that's not A-B-A and it's actually A's 1/10. Has that ever happened in a video clip?)

[Sittinduck13]

This was at a playoff game last weekend and this blown call cost us the game. Very upset that the kids lost out . The head official stood behind this call. Even the commissioners got this wrong and through out our protest to over term the call. Very sad!

[maven]

This was at a playoff game and this blown call cost us the game.

No it didn't. Your failure to score more points than your opponent in regulation cost you the game.

[Sittinduck13]

Lol, when a mistake is made and your confronted with the truth and you still continue to choose to make the wrong choice, everyone else suffers. This is my complaint. Your write that we didn't score enough. For our mediocre team to go in and hold a far supperior team to 0 points and negative yardage in a playoff game was great. We had a lot of momentume going into our series of overtime. We would have scored. theres no dought. Then to have a mistaken call was fine. Human error is part of sports. The fact that they choose to do nothing about it when confronted with the rules is crap.

[Diablo]

(However, if B touches A's field goal attempt downfield, and A legally recovers, then that's not A-B-A and it's actually A's 1/10. Has that ever happened in a video clip?)

M'rise,  Have you ever wondered why the difference in outcome if Team A legally recovers a field goal attempt (after Team B touched it) versus B recovers the kick, fumbles and A recovers the loose ball.  In other words, why is legal recovery of a kick an exception to the last sentence in 3-1-3-e?
Anybody else have insight to reasoning?

[Ump62]

Sittin, with this early exit from the playoffs you mite want too spend moor time in the spelling and grammar book. 

[HLinNC]

            The fact that they choose to do nothing about it when confronted with the rules is crap.

Actually they chose not to honor your protest.  Baseball is the only sport that I know of that allows protests.

If you are the team B coach, or even if you are not, what was done to prepare the player to not fumble by going down and taking their series, hmmmmmm?

[TexDoc]

It is youth football.  They will get over it.  I would imagine the officials, like most for these level games, were fairly new and inexperienced.  This is an easy one to get wrong.  Officials' error, just like the wind and rain, are part of the game and learning experience.  Kids are resilient and will not even remember in 6 months.

[sj]

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[Morningrise]

M'rise,  Have you ever wondered why the difference in outcome if Team A legally recovers a field goal attempt (after Team B touched it) versus B recovers the kick, fumbles and A recovers the loose ball.  In other words, why is legal recovery of a kick an exception to the last sentence in 3-1-3-e?
Anybody else have insight to reasoning?

Legal recovery of a kick is *not* an exception to 3-1-3-e. The last sentence does not apply, because team possession never changes during the down; Team B never possesses it. To end A's half-inning in this scenario, the rule would have to be changed, such as by adding "or after a scrimmage kick crosses the neutral zone" at the end of 3-1-3-e.

I think such a change would make sense and would be more philosophically consistent with the other rules, to wit: 1) The rules already give Team A a first down even if the kick recovery is behind the LTG, suggesting that recovery of a kick constitutes a brand new possession series. And 2) the whole principle of PSK enforcement is that, once a kick crosses the NZ, Team A has effectively relinquished possession and (most) Team B penalties should reflect that.

Why doesn't 3-1-3-e read that way? It's either intentional, or it just doesn't come up very often. Perhaps the advantage of brevity and simplicity outweighs the advantage of covering this rare occurrence.

[Diablo]

Legal recovery of a kick is *not* an exception to 3-1-3-e. The last sentence does not apply, because team possession never changes during the down; Team B never possesses it.

Agree.  I was reading too much into 3-1-3-e.

I think such a change would make sense and would be more philosophically consistent with the other rules, to wit: 1) The rules already give Team A a first down even if the kick recovery is behind the LTG, suggesting that recovery of a kick constitutes a brand new possession series.

If you are referring to 5-1-1-e-2, it goes further than just "suggesting" that a new series is awarded to A after it legally recovers a kick.

Why doesn't 3-1-3-e read that way? It's either intentional, or it just doesn't come up very often. Perhaps the advantage of brevity and simplicity outweighs the advantage of covering this rare occurrence.

"Brevity and Simplicity" ?? 
Currently the reader has to wade through 3-1-3-e plus 9 Approved Rulings to arrive at the FG attempt, B touches & A recovers situation.