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Re: Terrible Incident in Texas
« Reply #225 on: September 18, 2015, 10:48:56 AM »
 Their actions speak volumes about their character regardless of who said what, the coach or the official, they cannot be believed now. The whole "if you prosecute these kids their lives will forever be ruined" defense sends the wrong message to every young person having to make a decision about right and wrong.   If I choose poorly, no big deal since I'm young and everyone will come to my defense because punishing me will ruin my life.  Mr Watts needs to be very aggressively pursuing criminal charges and TASO better be helping. 

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Re: Terrible Incident in Texas
« Reply #226 on: September 18, 2015, 10:51:19 AM »
Mr Watts needs to be very aggressively pursuing criminal charges and TASO better be helping.
I know they released a statement, but what is NASO doing on the issue? They should be coming to the official's defense.
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Re: Terrible Incident in Texas
« Reply #227 on: September 18, 2015, 11:53:55 AM »
Of course they said they heard 2 racial comments (one on what language the players should be speaking since they are in America and the other using the n word).

I wish I could say I've never heard a brother in stripes do either.

Sadly, I can't, for either utterance.

That said, this is assault, and makes me glad I've switched to soccer.

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Re: Terrible Incident in Texas
« Reply #228 on: September 18, 2015, 12:55:19 PM »
I wish I could say I've never heard a brother in stripes do either.

Sadly, I can't, for either utterance.

That said, this is assault, and makes me glad I've switched to soccer.

It's not better in soccer. We've had two soccer referees killed by players while refereeing in the last three years here in the United States.

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« Reply #229 on: September 18, 2015, 02:28:44 PM »
This story is more unbelievable than ever.  Your mad at the Referee so you hit the umpire how apparently hadn't done anything .  I call Bull
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Re: Terrible Incident in Texas
« Reply #230 on: September 18, 2015, 03:16:07 PM »
I know they released a statement, but what is NASO doing on the issue? They should be coming to the official's defense.

  Whose attorney do you think is representing Watts?  It aint the local Austin crowd.

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Re: Terrible Incident in Texas
« Reply #231 on: September 18, 2015, 03:44:45 PM »
  Whose attorney do you think is representing Watts?
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« Reply #232 on: September 18, 2015, 04:20:50 PM »
This is my 28th year on the field at various levels and I have never heard an official use a racial epithet towards a student athlete.


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Re: Terrible Incident in Texas
« Reply #233 on: September 18, 2015, 08:45:34 PM »
I would like to know why my post was removed. It was not racial and the language was clean and othing offensive was said  oh well the power of the censors

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Re: Terrible Incident in Texas
« Reply #234 on: September 19, 2015, 10:43:00 AM »
Agree Bolt, I've been at this 22 and I've never heard an official utter a slur.  We aren't the most diverse population here in WNC but there are minority groups of some amount.  In fact, I am noting quite an increase in Hispanic players at all levels here.

This is all CYA lawyer moves now.  I knew their attorneys plan would be to blame the coach.  The "you can't ruin these young men's future" is also from the playbook.  Delaying tactics to get it out of the news and hope the victim tires of court trips and interviews and depositions will also be used.

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Re: Terrible Incident in Texas
« Reply #236 on: September 23, 2015, 08:13:03 AM »
Wait and see, the two fine young men have received all the punishment they will get.  To quote TexDoc, "HORSE HOCKEY"!!!!!!!!

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Re: Terrible Incident in Texas
« Reply #237 on: September 23, 2015, 08:19:50 AM »
"Mr. Breed at one point during our conversation stated that he should have handled the referee himself"


I don't think so.  An assistant does not deal with officials in a varsity game.  That's the job of the head coach.  Personally, I will not speak to an assistant unless the head coach is present and is okay with it.  And, you always have a second official there as a witness.  If the assistant is yelling and just communicating one way, I walk away.

Mr. Breed should have gone to the head coach if there truly was a problem with racial comments, which most of us really believe there was not.  The head coach certainly has some culpability in this mess since he is ultimately charged with running his team and coaches.  Although I really like the guy, I'm afraid he's going to have to go.




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Re: Terrible Incident in Texas
« Reply #238 on: September 23, 2015, 09:16:44 AM »
Well done, coach.  You got yourself fired, possibly criminally charged, and two kids kicked off the team.    Great role model.

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« Reply #239 on: September 23, 2015, 01:15:05 PM »

Well done, coach.  You got yourself fired, possibly criminally charged, and two kids kicked off the team.    Great role model.

No, the kids got themselves kicked off the team.

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Re: Terrible Incident in Texas
« Reply #240 on: September 23, 2015, 04:38:47 PM »
"Mr. Breed at one point during our conversation stated that he should have handled the referee himself"


I don't think so.  An assistant does not deal with officials in a varsity game.  That's the job of the head coach.  Personally, I will not speak to an assistant unless the head coach is present and is okay with it.  And, you always have a second official there as a witness.  If the assistant is yelling and just communicating one way, I walk away.

Mr. Breed should have gone to the head coach if there truly was a problem with racial comments, which most of us really believe there was not.  The head coach certainly has some culpability in this mess since he is ultimately charged with running his team and coaches.  Although I really like the guy, I'm afraid he's going to have to go.

I don't think he meant verbally handling it.  :!#

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Oh what a tangled web....
« Reply #241 on: September 24, 2015, 08:59:57 AM »
Go figure

Jay assistant coach recants statement that he ordered players to hit ref

The Jay High School assistant football coach who admitted he told some of his players to go after a game official before two Mustangs defensive backs attacked umpire Robert Watts in a game against Marble Falls on Sept. 4 has recanted his prior statement about the incident, two sources have told Kens5.com.

Both sources are familiar with the Northside ISD’s investigation into the incident, but requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation. Both sources have read Breed’s second statement.

In his second statement, secondary coach Mack Breed wrote that he took the blame in the incident to protect the two players from being expelled from school, one of the sources said. But Breed denied that he told the players to go after Watts.

ESPN reported earlier Wednesday Breed admitted his complicity in the incident to Jay principal Robert Harris in a meeting on Sept. 5, saying he “directed the students to make the referee pay for his racial comments and calls.”

Harris’ signed statement on his interaction with Breed and Jay head football coach Gary Gutierrez following the incident is part of the NISD’s investigation into the matter.

But Breed later retracted his original statement, denying he told the players to go after Watts, the two sources confirmed to Kens5.com. Breed’s signed second statement is included in the report the NISD sent to the UIL. The players have said Breed told them to go after Watts.

Breed tells a different story in his second statement.

“I wrote a statement on Sept. 5 about an incident that occurred on Sept. 4,” Breed wrote in his second statement. “This statement is written to explain why the previous statement was not entirely true.

“I never told anyone to hurt or target anyone on Sept. 4. To understand that statement, you must know who I am. I’m 29 years old and have been coaching for six years. My job in working with these kids means the world to me. I don’t have any children, so they are my own sons. I would take a bullet for my kids if I had to.

“That being said, that is what I did Friday night after the game,” Breed wrote. “Me and my head coach (Gutierrez) were sitting across from each other on the bus, so we started talking about the events that took place. Throughout the conversation, I started to realize how serious it could be for the boys at that point, so I took the blame for them.

“I did that hoping the kids would still be able to play and not get expelled from school,” Breed wrote. “The following day, we were watching film as a staff and I was called into the principal’s office to write a statement about what I told the head coach on the bus. Again, I did this thinking the kids would be let off the hook and that everything would be fine.


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UIL hearing could reveal sanctions for Jay football ref attack

“Now that I have seen the video and see how they hit the referee, I can no longer take the blame for the incident,” Breed wrote. “I never told these players to hurt or injure anyone in that football game. I only made my earlier statement to try and save the boys from being kicked off the team. I wanted more time to teach them discipline and character they need.

“I didn’t realize the statement made on Saturday was going to be forwarded to district office. I assumed it was going to be used to help save the kids. Now that I’m giving a formal statement, I want to be honest about the situation that occurred on Friday night.
“If the coach would have told me to write a statement on what happened at the game, I would have wrote one similar to this one,” Breed wrote. “Instead, when I wrote a statement about what I told him (Gutierrez) I wrote a false statement based on our conversation from the night before in an effort to protect the kids. That is why the statement from Sept. 5 is so vague.”

The UIL State Executive Committee is meeting Thursday in Round Rock to discuss the incident, and could take action in the matter if it has enough information and evidence to do so.

NISD officials did not know whether Breed, 29, and the two players will attend the meeting.

Breed was placed on paid administrative leave pending an NISD investigation after the incident. A 2004 Jay graduate, he has coached at his alma mater since 2011.

The two players have been assigned to the NISD alternative high school for 75 days and can return to class at Jay starting Jan. 15, their attorney said Wednesday. They were suspended from school after the incident.

The University Interscholastic League is the governing body for extracurricular activities for the state’s public schools and a handful of private and charter schools.

Several Jay players have alleged Watts directed racial slurs toward black and Hispanic members of the team during the game, according to the NISD’s investigation. Watts’ attorney, Alan Goldberger, has denied the allegations.

While Breed now denies he told the players to target Watts, there is evidence corroborating the statements by the players that the coach directed them to go after the official, one of the sources said.

“There were numerous kids that said ‘Coach Breed told us we’ve got to make that guy pay. He’s been cheating us all night long,’” the source said. “Now did he say, ‘Go hit the referee in the back?’ Did he say, ‘Injure the guy?’ Did he say, ‘You hit him first and then you spear him second?’ I don’t think Mack Breed said that. Nobody ever said the coach told them to hit him from the back and hurt him.”

The same source said other players told NISD investigators they weren’t certain if the directive to take out Watts came from Breed or a player.

Breed could be suspended for a maximum of three years if the State Committee Executive rules that he influenced the players to target the official. Breed will be prohibited from coaching at a UIL school until he goes before the State Executive Committee.



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« Reply #242 on: September 24, 2015, 09:00:30 AM »
Coach just recanted.

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Re: Oh what a tangled web....
« Reply #243 on: September 24, 2015, 09:20:28 AM »
I must admit, I had doubts that the Coach told the kids to "hit the ref", but the idea that he said the official was "cheating" his team set the tone. The kids may have taken it from there. When the adults demonstrate total disregard and respect of game officials, the athletes will follow their lead.
I believe most coaches expect their team members to respect coaches, officials and the other team. Their actions and attitudes often send the opposite message. In other words, they should lead by example, not do as I say, not as I do. Lets see how the UIL weighs in on this today.


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« Reply #245 on: September 24, 2015, 10:30:28 AM »
The coach that told the kids to take out the ref has taken back his story and has now resigned from the school district.  He will not be at UIL meeting today.

http://usatodayhss.com/2015/john-jay-assistant-coach-reportedly-recants-that-he-told-players-to-hit-ref


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Re: John Jay Coach Recants then Resigns
« Reply #246 on: September 24, 2015, 11:22:46 AM »
Lawyer move

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« Reply #247 on: September 24, 2015, 11:35:01 AM »
The UIL hearing is being streamed live:

http://www.ksat.com/live/watch-live-uil-hearing-on-jay-jay-players

Mike Wise is talking now.

The UIL's attitude in these proceedings is one that wants to pin any and everything against the officials and make them take a share of the responsibility in what happens here. Please name another place in education where they would go to such lengths to blame the victim for being assaulted? They sure wouldn't with a teacher, I guarantee that.

They're also showing their complete ignorance about how officiating works.
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« Reply #248 on: September 24, 2015, 11:58:22 AM »
TASO just finished talking. Good job, gentlemen.

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« Reply #249 on: September 24, 2015, 12:08:04 PM »
And the final wrap up was essentially:

To the school and head coach - we know this isn't your culture and we understand. Thank you.

To TASO - You did a thorough job. Now go investigate some more before you report back to us.

Watching this did no favors to my blood pressure today.