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Offline Joe Stack

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Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« on: October 01, 2015, 12:11:21 PM »
It seems like I found a rule reference to this once, but can't recall and can't find it now: after a try and before a KO, is there an actual timeout by rule? Or do we just allow them the time?
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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2015, 12:17:56 PM »
Officials timeout.
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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2015, 12:20:17 PM »
Never mind I found it.

Its actually uver 3-3-7-h: The intermission after a safety, try or successful field goal shall be not more than one minute. It may be extended for radio or television.

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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2015, 01:07:57 PM »
Quote from: Joe Stack on October 01, 2015, 12:20:17 PM
The intermission after a safety, try or successful field goal shall be not more than one minute. It may be extended for radio or television.
And we're up to what now? 2 minutes? Two and a half in some cases?
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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2015, 02:54:05 PM »
*best place to shave time off of your game!  Be efficient between try and KO!
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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2015, 03:25:46 PM »
Quote from: bossman72 on October 01, 2015, 02:54:05 PM
*best place to shave time off of your game!  Be efficient between try and KO!
That's hard to do with TV and the way the rules are currently written. And you know TV isn't going to change.
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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2015, 09:36:00 AM »
Quote from: Rulesman on October 01, 2015, 01:07:57 PM
And we're up to what now? 2 minutes? Two and a half in some cases?

If you're at a Notre Dame game that's on NBC, I think it's 4 minutes before the kickoff and another 5 after it!

/kind of joking
//not that much though
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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2015, 10:36:03 AM »
Quote from: ncwingman on October 02, 2015, 09:36:00 AM
If you're at a Notre Dame game that's on NBC, I think it's 4 minutes before the kickoff and another 5 after it!

/kind of joking
//not that much though
On one of the late NFL games last Sunday there was a score followed by a try and TV-TO. Then we had the KO followed by another TV-TO. And we wonder why the games are so long?
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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2015, 10:52:28 AM »
Quote from: Rulesman on October 02, 2015, 10:36:03 AM
On one of the late NFL games last Sunday there was a score followed by a try and TV-TO. Then we had the KO followed by another TV-TO. And we wonder why the games are so long?

Do you think the players & owners are going to vote for $$$ reductions so we can have fewer TV TOs?
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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2015, 12:33:19 PM »
Quote from: bama_stripes on October 02, 2015, 10:52:28 AM
Do you think the players & owners are going to vote for $$$ reductions so we can have fewer TV TOs?
Asked and answered about 4 posts up.
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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2015, 12:02:11 PM »
I was at the Baylor vs Texas Tech game Saturday. KO at 2:30; game ended at 6:20. Almost 4 hours!!! :!# These game times are getting ridiculous!! :o
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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2015, 12:47:50 PM »
College games are going long this year. They may revisit the timing rules.
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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2015, 03:27:36 PM »
Again... what rule changes would you do to make the game faster?

Without touching TV breaks and all

Timeouts on first downs? That would be the only one I'd change but don't know how much time would it save...
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2015, 04:28:46 PM »
If it really is passing offenses that are causing all the problems, clock on the ready after an incomplete pass.  (This of course assumes that the obvious is politically unthinkable.)
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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2015, 05:07:11 PM »
Why not just 'fess up and acknowledge the power that the sponsors wield and change the timing rules to 15 minute running time per quarter with TO's for commercials on every, 1st down, score, COP and period end if we really need to get the game time inside of 3 hours.   Games without commercials (not televised) don't seem to have any "too long" issues even when there is lots of passing.  It doesn't take a study to get to the root of the time "problem".
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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2015, 06:32:14 PM »
 deadhorse:
Quote from: Osric Pureheart on October 05, 2015, 04:28:46 PM
If it really is passing offenses that are causing all the problems, clock on the ready after an incomplete pass.  (This of course assumes that the obvious is politically unthinkable.)

Nails it...  Wind the clock after incomplete passes once the ball is spotted outside the last two min of each half.

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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2015, 12:35:44 PM »
Quote from: Rulesman on October 01, 2015, 03:25:46 PM
That's hard to do with TV and the way the rules are currently written. And you know TV isn't going to change.

Obviously TV would prohibit that, but for the 95% of all other football games in America that aren't televised, it's not hard to do.
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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2015, 02:49:57 PM »
Quote from: bossman72 on October 07, 2015, 12:35:44 PM
Obviously TV would prohibit that, but for the 95% of all other football games in America that aren't televised, it's not hard to do.
Do you really think the rules committee will agree to play by one set of rules for TV and another set for non-televised games? Hey, I know of a bridge for sale.  ;D
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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2015, 07:26:46 PM »
Wasn't the weight of opinion on this board once that the NCAA would never dream of adopting a rule that changed depending on what time was left on the clock?  I seem to recall that being raised quite a few times when they first started twiddling around with the clock rules, far too long ago.
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Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2015, 07:50:09 PM »

Quote from: Rulesman on October 07, 2015, 02:49:57 PM
Do you really think the rules committee will agree to play by one set of rules for TV and another set for non-televised games? Hey, I know of a bridge for sale.  ;D

They already do if you consider TV timeouts.
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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2015, 08:01:42 PM »
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what rule changes would you do to make the game faster?

I was tempted to respond with, "you're joking, right??" I guess for some the rules over the years have been so ingrained in them, they don't really think of alternatives. There are several, however:

-- stop the practice of stopping the clock on first downs, except in last 2 minutes, but add a 2 minute warning; enforce the ball spotted by 25 or the clock is stopped and reset to 25 rule on all first downs
-- wind the clock after incomplete passes except in the last 2 minutes
-- wind the clock to start possessions except in last 2 minutes

Basically, the only time the game clock wouldn't run after a RFP is coming out of a time out. We end up giving teams WAYYYYY too many timeouts due to circumstances.
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Re: Actual Time Out after Try/Prior to KO
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2015, 11:45:17 PM »
Screw all that complicated timing crap.

Just go to 30 minute running quarters.
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