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Re: 2018 Rules Committee Meeting Completed
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2018, 05:02:03 PM »
Just wondering about the 40-second clock after TD/successful field goal.  Is that the ready-for-play period, I.e., the ball must be kicked before the play clock expires?  Or, is this the intermission before the ball is to be declared ready for play for the kickoff?

I like it, either way.  Just wondering exactly what this is.

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Re: 2018 Rules Committee Meeting Completed
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2018, 08:28:58 PM »
Just wondering about the 40-second clock after TD/successful field goal.  Is that the ready-for-play period, I.e., the ball must be kicked before the play clock expires?  Or, is this the intermission before the ball is to be declared ready for play for the kickoff?

I like it, either way.  Just wondering exactly what this is.

Robert

The way I read it is it's 40 sec clock after the kickoff down is dead.  This is so we're not waiting on the offensive team to hold up the show before we blow the RFP.

I assume we'll have to just iron-cross the offense coming onto the field so the defense can match up to prevent them from hurrying to the line and snapping it.

Interesting to see how this will work with ball rotation.

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Re: 2018 Rules Committee Meeting Completed
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2018, 09:21:34 PM »
I like the changes but officials will have to be good at ball rotation.  Most teams would use that dead time after the kickoff and huddle the whole team.  They will have 40 seconds and it's already running so they better have the team ready.  I am glad they left the play clock alone following a punt. 

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Re: 2018 Rules Committee Meeting Completed
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2018, 10:10:49 PM »
The way I read it is it's 40 sec clock after the kickoff down is dead.  This is so we're not waiting on the offensive team to hold up the show before we blow the RFP.

I assume we'll have to just iron-cross the offense coming onto the field so the defense can match up to prevent them from hurrying to the line and snapping it.

Interesting to see how this will work with ball rotation.

Yeah, I get it, now.  And, you are right, we’ll have to hold the snapper until the D has had full opportunity to get in place.
Same after a TD, and before the Try.

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Re: 2018 Rules Committee Meeting Completed
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2018, 03:02:57 AM »
I hope they write the IR ZAP10 in a good way...

3/G at B-25. Score is A 10 - B 14 in the fourth quarter. Team A is out of timeouts. A34 runs for a long gain close to the sideline and is downed inbounds at B-2 with 15 seconds remaining in the game clock. Team A rushes to the line and is about to snap the ball with five seconds on the game clock when IR buzzes the crew to review if A34 stepped out of bounds at B-20. After review the ruling on the field is confirmed.

I sure hope that there would be no ZAP10 in that situation...

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2018, 10:28:39 AM »
I hope they write the IR ZAP10 in a good way...

3/G at B-25. Score is A 10 - B 14 in the fourth quarter. Team A is out of timeouts. A34 runs for a long gain close to the sideline and is downed inbounds at B-2 with 15 seconds remaining in the game clock. Team A rushes to the line and is about to snap the ball with five seconds on the game clock when IR buzzes the crew to review if A34 stepped out of bounds at B-20. After review the ruling on the field is confirmed.

I sure hope that there would be no ZAP10 in that situation...
No zap10 because the ruling is confirmed. It sounds like they are mirroring the NFL rule. Zap10 if the ruling dropped the clock and it is subsequently overturned and the clocked shouldn’t have stopped.

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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2018, 10:33:17 AM »
I see some DOG’s or burned timeouts early on, especially on defensive touchdowns that typically have the whole team celebrating on the sideline. But I like the rule.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2018, 10:36:19 AM by TxBJ »

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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2018, 11:07:49 AM »
Looks like the scoring team will have to have their KO team ready to go as so as the try is over. Officials will have to hustle to their KO positions. Would appear to speed up the game without taking playing time away.
I wonder if Texas high schools (UIL) will keep this if it passes?

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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2018, 11:23:47 AM »
Seems like it would have been much easier to keep the clock rolling after first downs outside of 2 minutes.

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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2018, 11:41:03 AM »
Seems like it would have been much easier to keep the clock rolling after first downs outside of 2 minutes.

+1000, you hit the nail square on the head!

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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2018, 12:01:10 PM »
Looks like the scoring team will have to have their KO team ready to go as so as the try is over. Officials will have to hustle to their KO positions. Would appear to speed up the game without taking playing time away.
I wonder if Texas high schools (UIL) will keep this if it passes?

The period after the Try and to the Kickoff will not change.  That's still at 25 second playclock.

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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2018, 12:03:28 PM »
Seems like it would have been much easier to keep the clock rolling after first downs outside of 2 minutes.

It appears they were trying to shrink the total playing time but not reduce the number of plays.  With the changes they may actually increase the number of plays.

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Re: 2018 Rules Committee Meeting Completed
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2018, 11:15:27 PM »
Looks like the scoring team will have to have their KO team ready to go as so as the try is over. Officials will have to hustle to their KO positions. Would appear to speed up the game without taking playing time away.
I wonder if Texas high schools (UIL) will keep this if it passes?

I think JasonTx said it it, too, but the proposed rule applies only to the period between the scoring of a TD and the Try, and to the period after a kickoff and the next scrimmage play.  The period after a Try and before the ensuing kickoff is not affected.
As for NCAA games, teams will need to make some adjustments to get their “extra point” teams on the field quickly following a TD.  Sometimes those scores come abruptly, and those squad members may be ‘lounging around,’ not prepared to get on the field immediately.  Coaches will have to fix that, probably by keeping their special teams together on the sideline, helmets at hand, etc., so they can jump on the field immediately following the score.  As with many new rules, there will be some heartburn by some teams over this, but they’ll just have to adjust.
I don’t see as much issue following a kickoff.  The incoming offense is usually gathered and getting instructions from the OC during the KO, anyway.  They just need to be ready to hustle onto the field when the KO is over, and not wait until the opposing defense is on the field for their final instructions.  Not a big deal, IMHO.
Now, if there is a turnover on the KO, there is a much greater chance of a having a problem getting the defense back on the field, as they may be scattered in the team area at that time.
As big of a problem may be getting the special teams from the Try/kickoff off the field.  They won’t be able to dawdle getting off the field.
What we don’t know, yet, is when the 40 second play clock is to be started.  To be purely consistent, the clock would start when the TD signal is given on a TD play, and when the clock is stopped on a kickoff.  But, I’m thinking that should get stretched to after the R gives his score signal on a TD, and when the players unpile; get out of the opponents team area; get clear of each other after a KO.  (Note: I know many Rs discontinued giving score signals some years ago. They may have to resume doing that.) Then, everyone, including the officials, will have to haul buns to get to their positions, get the ball ready for play, etc.  I can see getting the ball spotted by 32 seconds for a Try.  But that’s gonna be tough after a KO.
The real problem will be getting to practice this before the first game.  At pre-season scrimmages, crews are simply going to have to ask teams to run some plays like that, to get some practice. Hopefully, they’ll oblige.

As for Texas (U.I.L.) high school, I’m guessing the U.I.L. will make this another of their multitude of “exceptions” to the NCAA rules.
Robert

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Re: 2018 Rules Committee Meeting Completed
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2018, 06:13:56 AM »
The standard in replay has been if you are looking at a score and can confirm within 45 seconds there is no need to stop. Now with a 40 second clock replay will have about 25 seconds before you have to start pumping the clock back up.

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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2018, 09:37:49 AM »
Yeah, Matt, based on the limited info we’ve seen so far, I’m forecasting a lot of ‘pumping up.’
If Team A has 1/G at the B-1, there is no excuse for both teams to not have their extra point teams ready.  There should be no problem on those types of situations.

On the other extreme, Team A runs the opening KO back for a TD.  Ain’t nobody ready for that (forgive the redneck English).  The teams will have trouble getting their extra point teams on the field, ‘senior’ referees (I resemble that remark), maybe even some Hs and Ls will be rambling up the field. Gotta change game balls. If the play clock got started after the TD, it will easily get under 25 before teams and officials are in position.  Gonna have to pump that one up, for certain.

I like the concept, but I think the ‘starting point’ for the 40-second clock needs to be adjusted to be as soon as the crew can get the ball spotted, and the crew should get the ball spotted ASAP.  Even in the worst case scenario, that will still be less time from score to snap than waiting until everyone are set to start a 25-second clock.

Yep, lots of pumping, I’m afraid.

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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2018, 09:52:28 AM »
I’m not sure the 40 second clock after a TD even works in games with replay since we need to wait for replay to confirm the score before the ready. Unless they’re changing that too.

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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2018, 11:37:07 AM »
I’m not sure the 40 second clock after a TD even works in games with replay since we need to wait for replay to confirm the score before the ready. Unless they’re changing that too.

Hmmmm.  I could be wrong, but I think that is just an NFL thing (so far).
Since in NCAA, every play gets reviewed, yeah, the RO is looking at the TD play, but the on-field crew is proceeding as usual, i.e., getting the ball ready and starting the play clock.  (And, to now, the crew would usually be very ‘deliberate’ in getting a ball and getting it spotted, to give the RO more time to at least decide to buzz.). If the RO then decides he needs to look at the play in greater detail, he’ll buzz the crew and stop the Try.  But, the crew isn’t waiting for the RO to ‘confirm’ the TD before declaring the ball ready for play.
So this new 40-second thing will make it a bit tougher on the RO.  There will probably be an increase in the number of ‘premature’ buzzes that eventually get confirmed/stands, but that would seem to be the nature of this beast.
Spotting the ball ASAP, then starting the 40-seconds would give the RO a few extra moments to look, then pass or buzz.

Robert



and will ‘buzz’ if he wants a longer look at it,

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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2018, 03:36:23 PM »
Hmmmm.  I could be wrong, but I think that is just an NFL thing (so far).

No, right now we wait for confirmation from the RO after a score or turnover. Communicated through the sideline attendant. If it feels like it is taking long or it’s apparent he will change the ruling, the RO will buzz and initiate a review stoppage.

I believe this is the national mechanic.

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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2018, 06:54:23 PM »
Looks like the scoring team will have to have their KO team ready to go as so as the try is over. Officials will have to hustle to their KO positions. Would appear to speed up the game without taking playing time away.
I wonder if Texas high schools (UIL) will keep this if it passes?

But that means the special teams coach can't huddle with the KO and KOR teams... how else will they feel important????  lol

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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2018, 06:47:38 AM »
No, right now we wait for confirmation from the RO after a score or turnover. Communicated through the sideline attendant. If it feels like it is taking long or it’s apparent he will change the ruling, the RO will buzz and initiate a review stoppage.

I believe this is the national mechanic.

We do the same, waiting for the thumbs up from the red hat.

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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2018, 08:28:20 AM »
No, right now we wait for confirmation from the RO after a score or turnover. Communicated through the sideline attendant. If it feels like it is taking long or it’s apparent he will change the ruling, the RO will buzz and initiate a review stoppage.

I believe this is the national mechanic.

I stand corrected.  Not what we were doing when I hung it up in 2012, but definitely the practice today.  It must happen pretty quickly, for the most part, because, unlike the NFL, I hadn't noticed any delay getting the ball ready for the Try, while watching games on TV.  (Haven't been to an NCAA game in-person since 2012!)  I'm guessing the RO is able to tell the sideline assistant to give the 'thumbs up' immediately on the vast majority of plays.

So, how this 40-second thing jibes with the RO confirmation remains to be seen.

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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2018, 02:48:15 PM »
So the crew has 15 seconds from when the kick returner is tackled to when the chains, all 7/8 officials, and Team B's ball have to be ready, or else we have to pump it up to 25?

Good luck!

They should have just kept it at 25... because that's what's gonna end up happening anyway!

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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2018, 05:10:19 PM »
So the crew has 15 seconds from when the kick returner is tackled to when the chains, all 7/8 officials, and Team B's ball have to be ready, or else we have to pump it up to 25?

Good luck!

They should have just kept it at 25... because that's what's gonna end up happening anyway!

If that is the moment the play clock is to start (red highlight), you are definitely correct. 

If they will simply direct the game officials to spot the ball expeditiously, and start the play clock immediately when the ball is spotted (with a signal by the R), then there is a fighting chance to get the ball snapped before the play clock expires.
 
Regarding the chains, they really shouldn't be a problem, because the box can get there for the succeeding spot, even while the play clock is running, and the chains can then follow along.  They will probably still beat the snap, by a long way.  But, I'd bet the box man is at the succeeding spot before we can get the ball spotted.

Robert