Let's throw a real curveball with the tack-on...

[bbeagle]

2nd half starts as a 2nd half does, remember guys, only USC or DBPFs would carry over to the 2nd half.

Yes, I know that's a previous interpretation of the rules before this tack-on penalty. It's not a real rule.

I have found nowhere in the rules stating that this new tack-on can't be added to the next half kickoff.

(I think the spirit of this rule is to not put it on the next half kickoff, but the rules don't say that as far as I can tell)

[Ralph Damren]

The tack-on option ONLY applies IF the penalty is accepted.
If the penalty IS accepted, an untimed down is created.
If the penalty IS declined, there is nothing to tack on to.

Hope this helps to make it more clear.

[bbeagle]

The tack-on option ONLY applies IF the penalty is accepted.
If the penalty IS accepted, an untimed down is created.
If the penalty IS declined, there is nothing to tack on to.

Hope this helps to make it more clear.

There is an exception in the rules saying there is NO untimed down for this though:
3-3-4: A period shall not be extended for an untimed down if one of the following occurred during a down in which time expired:
b. There was a foul by either team and the penalty is accepted for:
4. fouls that are enforced on the subsequent kickoff.

[Ralph Damren]

There is an exception in the rules saying there is NO untimed down for this though:
3-3-4: A period shall not be extended for an untimed down if one of the following occurred during a down in which time expired:
b. There was a foul by either team and the penalty is accepted for:
4. fouls that are enforced on the subsequent kickoff.

That refers to fouls in the 8-2 family - occur on a scoring play where the subsequent kickoff is an option.
Example : Foul on B, TD as clock @ 0:00 - A can ask for penalty on PAT or kickoff. The PAT is always an untimed down and would be played (unless scoring team had already won) OR on subsequent kickoff which would occur in the next period.

[bbeagle]

That refers to fouls in the 8-2 family

You're right. It specifically mentions field goals, touchdowns and tries. No safeties.

So, I guess we need an untimed down for a kickoff? But the kickoff would come from K, so then the tack-on couldn't be applied?

[VA Official]

You're right. It specifically mentions field goals, touchdowns and tries. No safeties.

So, I guess we need an untimed down for a kickoff? But the kickoff would come from K, so then the tack-on couldn't be applied?

8-2-2 through 8-2-5 only covers fouls on TDs. If the “subsequent kickoff” part of 3-3-4 only applies to those which it mentions when it says “as in...” then fouls on a try would require an untimed KO because they are covered in 8-3.

[KDJBBBJ]

3-3-3 A period shall be extended by an untimed down if one of the following occurred during a down in which time expires. A try is not a down in which time expires as it is an untimed down no matter what.   Time has already expired so you would not have an untimed down.  You would either replay the down after then enforcement of the penalty, take it at the succeeding spot in the second half, if applicable, or decline and go to half time.

[VA Official]

3-3-3 A period shall be extended by an untimed down if one of the following occurred during a down in which time expires. A try is not a down in which time expires as it is an untimed down no matter what.   Time has already expired so you would not have an untimed down.  You would either replay the down after then enforcement of the penalty, take it at the succeeding spot in the second half, if applicable, or decline and go to half time.

Good catch. Then bbeagle you are correct. Tack-on is not an option because it would require an untimed down in which K would next put the ball in play via KO. We would go with normal ABO enforcement options.

[CalhounLJ]

K 4th and 10 at their 5 with :05 left in 2nd quarter, last play of the half. Illegal formation flag at the snap.

K punter receives snap, kicks ball, it's blocked, goes out the back of the end zone at :00 on the clock.

R team kicks off in second half. Can they choose to tack on this penalty to the 2nd half kickoff?

So, back to the beginning. In this situation, R has options. They can:
Accept a 5 yd penalty from the previous spot and K can replay the down. OR-
Decline the penalty, take the two points and go to halftime.
Is that right?


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[VA Official]

So, back to the beginning. In this situation, R has options. They can:
Accept a 5 yd penalty from the previous spot and K can replay the down. OR-
Decline the penalty, take the two points and go to halftime.
Is that right?


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Based on the combined efforts here that’s what I’m going with. Seems that’s what has rules support.

[Ralph Damren]

Try not to over-think this rule change, guys, and please consider these two points :

(1) If there is a tack-on foul on the last play of a period, the opponents can decline the penalty and the period has ended.

(2) If there is a tack-on foul on the last play of a period, the opponents can accept the penalty and have an untimed down. UNLESS...
FRIDAY TRIVIA TESTER..WHAT WOULD BE A PLAY WHERE THEY COULD ACCEPT THE PENALTY BUT NOT GET AN UNTIMED DOWN?

(HINT: FOUL BY K THAT DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR TACK-ON)

[ncwingman]

Try not to over-think this rule change, guys, and please consider these two points :

(1) If there is a tack-on foul on the last play of a period, the opponents can decline the penalty and the period has ended.

(2) If there is a tack-on foul on the last play of a period, the opponents can accept the penalty and have an untimed down. UNLESS...
FRIDAY TRIVIA TESTER..WHAT WOULD BE A PLAY WHERE THEY COULD ACCEPT THE PENALTY BUT NOT GET AN UNTIMED DOWN?

(HINT: FOUL BY K THAT DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR TACK-ON)

After thinking about it I realize that some of my previous posts are not entirely correct and therefore, I believe beagle's plays answer the trivia question.

After a safety, R is NOT the next to put the ball in play. K puts the ball in play by a free kick. Therefore, if there is a scrimmage kick down where the end result is a safety, any foul by K is NOT eligible for the tack on option.

Of course, if the safety is due to the foul itself, then 3-3-4 kicks in, and there's no untimed down.

EDIT -- To put a specific situation in, K holds in the end zone during a punt as time expires. Accepting the penalty results in a safety, no period extension.

[brettjr2005]

Try not to over-think this rule change, guys, and please consider these two points :

(1) If there is a tack-on foul on the last play of a period, the opponents can decline the penalty and the period has ended.

(2) If there is a tack-on foul on the last play of a period, the opponents can accept the penalty and have an untimed down. UNLESS...
FRIDAY TRIVIA TESTER..WHAT WOULD BE A PLAY WHERE THEY COULD ACCEPT THE PENALTY BUT NOT GET AN UNTIMED DOWN?

(HINT: FOUL BY K THAT DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR TACK-ON)

Fouls that don't qualify for an untimed down:

A foul that results in a safety
An unsportsmanlike foul
A nonplayer foul
A dead ball foul (that occurs after time expires)

I feel like I'm missing something here, though.

[js in sc]

Fouls that don't qualify for an untimed down:

A foul that results in a safety
An unsportsmanlike foul
A nonplayer foul
A dead ball foul

I feel like I'm missing something here, though.

Fouls that specify loss of down.

[brettjr2005]

Yes!  Thank you!  I also forgot the 8-2 fouls that are enforced on the subsequent kickoff. 

[Ralph Damren]

The play I was thinking of was....
(1) R blocks K1's punt;
(2) K2 picks up the blocked punt and begins to run;
(3) K2 crosses the LOS and then decides to throw a forward pass;
(4)K2 flagged for IFP;
(5) LOD fouls don't qualify for UTD.

If the foul resulted in a safety there wouldn't be an UTD. Good job, Guys.