2019 Brackets

[dammitbobby]

My TASO badge got me in for free.

[dammitbobby]

Not sure if I’m watching an NFL or high school game. I’ve seen strutting 2x, pointing for a first down, and it’s not even the end of the first quarter.

[dammitbobby]

Abilene chapter did a fantastic job.

[TexDoc]

Abilene chapter did a fantastic job.

They looked sharp.

[dammitbobby]

they did...  3 reviews, I think one call on the field was changed, but it was super close (whether inbounds foot was down first, or out of bounds), other two stood as called.  All three were short.

[JasonTX]

Replay has been a good addition.   They bailed the last crew out on a facemask foul on a TD.  Referee announced it was declined.  Replay guy on sideline told referee it can carry over to the kickoff.

[dammitbobby]

Here's something you don't see every day.  https://twitter.com/DMNGregRiddle/status/1208211354273759232

[Legacy Zebra]

This is a really interesting play to talk about.

This is a foul during a run play, NOT a scrimmage kick. If the B player had been tackled short of the goal line, it is not eligible for 6-3-13 tack on enforcement. The only options would be decline and take the end of the return or take the safety by penalty. Also a good reminder that 5 AND 10 yard penalties are declined by rule. This cannot carry over to the try or kickoff.

This ball is loose from the snap, so it is still a backward pass even after the illegal kick. If the ball had gone out of bounds, it would stay at that spot. It would not come back to the previous spot where possession was lost because it is a backward pass, not a fumble. If a team A player had recovered it, play would continue because, again, it is a backward pass, not a fumble.

[TxBJ]

Also good to make sure we use the right words. It was not an illegal kick, which would cause the ball to become dead. Rather, it was illegally kicking the ball, and the ball remains live. Good job by the crew.

[stormref99]

Not sure I completely agree Legacy Zebra. This play is a scrimmage kick play per Rule 2-17-6; the kick occurred before a change of possession, and there is nothing in Rule 2-17-6 or 10-2-4 that states the kick itself must be legal. Therefore, in addition to the option of safety if penalty accepted, Team B could have added penalty yardage (10 yards or 1/2 distance to goal line) if the Team B runner was tackled short of goal line.

[Legacy Zebra]

Also good to make sure we use the right words. It was not an illegal kick, which would cause the ball to become dead. Rather, it was illegally kicking the ball, and the ball remains live.

It was a kick of the ball that was illegal. An illegal kick. What it wasn't was an illegal scrimmage kick that would cause the ball to become dead. If we really want to be pedantic.

Not sure I completely agree Legacy Zebra. This play is a scrimmage kick play per Rule 2-17-6; the kick occurred before a change of possession, and there is nothing in Rule 2-17-6 or 10-2-4 that states the kick itself must be legal

This can not be a scrimmage kick play because there is no scrimmage kick. A scrimmage kick is a punt, drop kick, or field goal place kick. This player did not drop the ball and (1) kick it before it touched the ground for a punt or (2) kick it as it touched the ground for a drop kick. And it obviously wasn't controlled on the ground or a tee by a teammate for a field goal place kick. So since it doesn't meet the definition of any of the scrimmage kicks, it isn't a scrimmage kick.

[stormref99]

Reviewed the relevant rules again, and your statement. Agree with your assessment. It did not meet the definition of a scrimmage kick therefore rule 10-2-4 does not apply. Never thought about this scenario; good case play. Thanks for positing:)

[ElvisLives]

Not sure I completely agree Legacy Zebra. This play is a scrimmage kick play per Rule 2-17-6; the kick occurred before a change of possession, and there is nothing in Rule 2-17-6 or 10-2-4 that states the kick itself must be legal. Therefore, in addition to the option of safety if penalty accepted, Team B could have added penalty yardage (10 yards or 1/2 distance to goal line) if the Team B runner was tackled short of goal line.

No clue whose rules you are referencing, but it ain't NCAA, which, with UIL exceptions, is what is used here in Texas. 2-16-1 addresses what constitutes a legal kick, and, to be legal, the kick must be made according to the requirements for any of the three legal types of kicks (punt, drop kick, or place kick).  No other type of kick is legal.  The kick in question was none of those legal types of kicks. 
Per 2-16-7, a scrimmage kick play requires the kick to be one of the three legal kicks described in 2-16-1.  Since it was not a legal kick, this was not a scrimmage kick play.
There is a difference between an "illegal kick" and "illegally kicking the ball".  An illegal kick is a kick made in accordance with the requirements of one of the three types of legal kicks, but at a time when such a kick is not permitted. When an "illegal kick" is made, the ball is dead.  The penalty is 5 yards (enforcement spots vary, by rules).
By 6-3-10, "Illegally kicking the ball" is kicking the ball not in accordance with the requirements of one of the three types of legal kicks (regardless of when or made or any other circumstance).  By 9-4-4, kicking a loose ball or ball held by an opponent is illegally kicking the ball, and the penalty is 10 yards, with Basic Spot enforcement, and loss of down, if by Team A before a change of team possession.

So, in the down in question, the ball was loose from the snap, which is a backward pass, when it was kicked by the Team A player.  That's a foul for illegally kicking the ball.  The ball, and, thus, the foul, was in A's end zone.  Per Basic Spot enforcement, the Basic Spot for this foul is the Previous Spot.  Per the 3 & 1 principal, the spot of the foul is behind the Basic Spot, so the enforcement spot is the spot of the foul.  Since the spot of the foul is in their own end zone, the penalty results in a safety, 2 points for B, if elected.  On this down in question, the live ball was legally recovered by B and advanced across A's goal line for an apparent TD.  Team B has the option to decline the penalty for Illegally Kicking the ball, and take the result of the play, i.e., Touchdown, which they did.

The crew handled it properly, although it took the R quite some time to process what happened and drop his flag in the end zone. But he did, and they completed the penalty properly.