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Offline bctgp

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Interesting Plays - Please add more
« on: November 19, 2019, 01:59:42 PM »
2 & 5 from the B-30. QB takes snap and is looking to pass but defensive pressure gets to him and before he is tackled at the B-37 he throws the ball backward towards Team B sideline trying to conserve yardage. The pass rolls on the ground and just before the pass gets to the sideline a Team B coach steps on the field at the B-40 and kicks the ball back into the field of play and the officials sound their whistles. There were no players in the vicinity of the ball when it was kicked by the Coach.
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Re: Interesting Plays - Please add more
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2019, 02:12:46 PM »
I’ll take a shot

Ball is dead where coach kicked and belongs to A
I would penalize the team B coach 15 yards for Unsportsmanlike (game interference) third down and whatever yardage ( or first down) depending on the spot of the foul

Disclaimer- I could be  wrong as all get out but it sounds reasonable
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2019, 02:51:08 PM »
The UNS would carry a automatic 1st down.

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Re: Interesting Plays - Please add more
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2019, 04:03:53 PM »
ball in play
backward pass - fumble if recovered?
coach on field during live ball ...... 15 USC ( saw a note from Redding a few years back about enforcing the rule about coming onto the field to argue a call drawing an automatic USC....might not be rigidly enforced now, and coach not exactly debating a call, but this action sure seems worse than that. )
coach kicks ball .... dead ball ..... 15 USC
Why the second USC? Suppose there is a couple seconds on the clock and opponent trailing by 1. Opponent heading toward to pick it and like to take it in for game winning TD. The coach figures out what do I have to lose so he runs onto the field and kicks the ball, and take his chances.

no way to know who would have recovered the loose ball so in fairness it has to be awarded to the opponent.

rules have a statement about the officials having a lot of leeway in unusual situations like this. I would think that this would have a huge impact on the penalty enforcement depending on the score, time remaining, etc.

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Re: Interesting Plays - Please add more
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2019, 08:56:18 PM »
In a time critical situation, a backward pass thrown out of bounds would be a foul.  Since the backward pass did not go out of bounds, the pass is legal (although exceptionally stupid).
The coach being beyond the coaching line is a UNS foul.
The coach interfering with the ball is not a ‘specific’ foul, but certainly falls under 9-2-3-c, Unfair Acts.
The ball touching something other than a player or an official in the field of play makes the ball dead.  By rule, inadvertent whistle rules apply.
First, Team A can take the ball where possession was lost, or they can (ostensibly) repeat the down at the previous spot.  They ain’t gonna take the ball where possession was lost.  Previous spot.
Then we deal with the foul(s).
Since the coach’s actions were, essentially, a single continuous action, conventional direction is to consider this only one foul.  15 yards from succeeding spot, first down.  This is a blatant foul, and I would hope every coordinator would support calling this a flagrant UNS, with offender DQ’d.
By the way, because of the IW rule being enforced, the game clock is started on the RFP.

Robert
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2019, 10:53:02 PM »
The becomes dead once the Coach kicks it per 4-1-3-k. Assume officials blew the whistle after the coach kicks it.  So I don't think IW applies here. Enforcement spot would be the spot where the coach kicks it, correct? Also, comes gives Team A an auto 1st down.


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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2019, 01:06:08 AM »
The becomes dead once the Coach kicks it per 4-1-3-k. Assume officials blew the whistle after the coach kicks it.  So I don't think IW applies here. Enforcement spot would be the spot where the coach kicks it, correct?

I think you should go and re-read the entire rule 4-1-3-k, including the last words in parenthesis :)

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Re: Interesting Plays - Please add more
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2019, 11:59:51 AM »
I'm at a loss trying to figure out why the coach did this.  Did he think the ball was out and he was returning it?  Was their a soccer scout in the stands he was looking to impress?  I'm not sure it matters to the answer, but I feel like I'm missing something here.

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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2019, 01:10:31 PM »
Assuming no ill intent, maybe that the backward pass was a forward one, and the ball was dead?