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Offline OSU65

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I was watching a game the other day and saw what I thought was an obvious push in the back by an offensive player that had no impact on the play. The push/block in the back was about 10 yards away as the runner was about to cross the goal line. It made me wonder about what calls that are penalties in some situations, but that don't effect the specific play, would you call. What specific penalties would you call irregardless of the impact on the play. I'm guessing things like unsportsmanlike conduct, personal fouls, etc would be called. Example: What about a coach coming 10 yards onto the field when the action is 30 yards away from the play and moving further away ?

I guess this is really a question about your philosophy as an official.

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Re: What penalties do you call even though it does not impact the play.
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2020, 08:56:02 PM »
OSU,
Safety fouls, like blocks below the waist, clipping, striking, kicking, kneeing,  chop blocks, illegal blind side blocks, targeting, are to be called anywhere, any time.
An illegal block in the back is not considered a safety foul. Those, and other non-safety contact fouls, such as holding, should be reserved for true advantage-disadvantage situations. If it affects an opponent’s ability to make a play on the ball carrier (which includes a player about to throw a pass), or to get to, catch, or recover the ball, then a foul is warranted.
There are more things to be considered, particularly with holding. The simple fact that a blocker has a grasp on the opponents jersey does not make a holding foul. It takes more. It takes some form of illegal material restriction that prevents the player from going where he wants go, or from doing what he wants to do.
If a defender is double teamed, the blockers are given huge leeway. As long as they don’t take him down, they can twist, turn, pull, restrict, to their  hearts content. If a team is willing to put two blockers on one defender, they can do nearly whatever they want.

There are a lot more such things. Those are the exact things that are reviewed during training clinics all year long, all in an effort to get better, and get consistent.



Regarding your specific question, if it is a vicious block in the back, that becomes a safety foul - unnecessary roughness, not a block in the back.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2020, 03:44:23 PM by ElvisLives »

Offline JDM

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Re: What penalties do you call even though it does not impact the play.
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2020, 12:02:32 PM »
I was watching a game the other day and saw what I thought was an obvious push in the back by an offensive player that had no impact on the play. The push/block in the back was about 10 yards away as the runner was about to cross the goal line. It made me wonder about what calls that are penalties in some situations, but that don't effect the specific play, would you call. What specific penalties would you call irregardless of the impact on the play. I'm guessing things like unsportsmanlike conduct, personal fouls, etc would be called. Example: What about a coach coming 10 yards onto the field when the action is 30 yards away from the play and moving further away ?

I guess this is really a question about your philosophy as an official.

Fouls are called which result in penalties.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2020, 12:05:29 PM by JDM »

Offline SJ3205

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Re: What penalties do you call even though it does not impact the play.
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2020, 12:56:50 PM »
Good topic
My NCAA "R" who is one of the  the finest football official I've worked with does a great job of varying our Pre-Game topics as the season wears on. However we review "Quality" calls every week and drop them into one of several categories
1. Safety- as mentioned above including the Cheap and the Dirty
2. Procedural (formation, play clock etc)
3. Point of Attack emphasizing advantage gained or lost

Nobody especially the coaches wants a DIII game marred by a bunch of flags nor can we afford to let somebody get blasted away from the play and nobody saw it.

Offline OSU65

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Re: What penalties do you call even though it does not impact the play.
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2020, 07:12:25 PM »
Justin Fields of OSU made this statement: -- Teams do try to twist his ankle and stuff like that in the piles after he runs and there were some cheap things after the play that happened last week. It happens. The better teams don't do that. He notices more against "the worse teams."

I'm curious to know how widespread what I would call "playing dirty" is in college football.

Where do you draw the line and throw a flag?

I saw an example of a couple of players untying the shoelaces of a player. I presume their goal was to yank off a shoe so the player would have to potentially leave the field to put the shoe back on. Would you throw a flag in that situation?

What type of extracurricular activity would it take for you to eject a player from the game? I'm not sure what authority an official has to eject a player for one penalty, other than targeting.

Examples of activities that draw penalties?

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Re: What penalties do you call even though it does not impact the play.
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2020, 08:28:57 PM »


What type of extracurricular activity would it take for you to eject a player from the game? I'm not sure what authority an official has to eject a player for one penalty, other than targeting.


Twisting an ankle would be enough for an ejection.  That's a flagrant personal foul in my opinion.