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Offline dammitbobby

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violations vs fouls
« on: November 05, 2020, 09:49:42 AM »
A free kick is touched by Team A prior to going 10 yards; Team B has the option of taking the ball at the spot of the illegal touching. 

6-1-3-b
b. Any other touching by Team A is illegal touching, a violation that, when the ball becomes dead, gives the receiving team the privilege of taking the ball at the spot of the violation.

An invalid fair catch signal is given, and the ball is caught at the B7.  Ball comes out to the B25.

6-5-3-a (exception)
ARTICLE 3. a. A catch after an invalid signal is not a fair catch, and the ball is dead where caught or recovered. (Exception: During a free kick, if a Team B receiver gives any waving signal that does not meet all of the requirements of a valid fair catch signal, and subsequently catches the ball behind the B-25 yard line the ball belongs to Team B at its own 25-yard line).

My question is, are there any more violations, that are not fouls, besides these two?
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Re: violations vs fouls
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2020, 10:04:13 AM »
Don't forget 6-3-2 which relates to scrimmage kicks.

Beyond the Neutral Zone

ARTICLE 2.
a. No inbounds player of the kicking team shall touch a scrimmage kick that has crossed the neutral zone before it touches an opponent. This is illegal touching, a violation that, when the ball becomes
dead, gives the receiving team the privilege of taking the ball at the spot of the violation (Exception: Rule 6-3-4) (A.R. 2-12-2-I and A.R. 6-3-2-I).
b. This privilege is canceled if there is an accepted penalty for a live-ball foul by either team (A.R. 6-3-2-I-IV, A.R. 6-3-11-I-III and A.R. 10-1-4-VII).
c. The privilege is canceled if there are offsetting fouls.
d. Illegal touching on a try, in extra periods, or in Team A’s end zone is ignored.

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Re: violations vs fouls
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2020, 11:54:55 AM »
A free kick is touched by Team A prior to going 10 yards; Team B has the option of taking the ball at the spot of first touching. 

6-1-3-b
b. Any other touching by Team A is illegal touching, a violation that, when the ball becomes dead, gives the receiving team the privilege of taking the ball at the spot of the violation.

An invalid fair catch signal is given, and the ball is caught at the B7.  Ball comes out to the B25.

6-5-3-a (exception)
ARTICLE 3. a. A catch after an invalid signal is not a fair catch, and the ball is dead where caught or recovered. (Exception: During a free kick, if a Team B receiver gives any waving signal that does not meet all of the requirements of a valid fair catch signal, and subsequently catches the ball behind the B-25 yard line the ball belongs to Team B at its own 25-yard line).

My question is, are there any more violations, that are not fouls, besides these two?

"first touching" applies to Federation rules. Illegal touching applies to NCAA rules.

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Re: violations vs fouls
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2020, 12:19:15 PM »
Thanks - I corrected my original post.

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Re: violations vs fouls
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2020, 04:21:07 PM »
A free kick is touched by Team A prior to going 10 yards; Team B has the option of taking the ball at the spot of the illegal touching. 


The anal technician in me feels compelled to say that is isn't "...prior to going 10 yards."  Rather, it is before the ball has reached Team B's restraining line. Yes, B's the restraining line is 10 yards in advance of A's restraining line, so it may seem like a fine distinction - and it is. The only time it could even remotely be a discussion item would be by untrained folks watching a kick after a safety, and Team A, for whatever reason, makes a short kick by punting, and the punter kicks the ball from some point behind A's restraining line - which he may do (unlike a place kick), and then Team A touches the ball after it has traveled ten yards from the point of the kick, but has not yet reached B's restraining line. I could see some DA broadcaster trying to claim that the ball had gone 10 yards before it was touched. Yeah, maybe it did, but it hadn't reached B's restraining line.