Sub situation

[TXMike]

https://youtu.be/Y4i3KJ3slw0

[Kalle]

The subbing starts at about 0:01 on the video, and the U starts to leave the ball (ie. the ball is ready for play) at 0:07. I think six seconds is long enough for team B to at least start subbing if they want to respond (no incoming substitutes seen, it is of course possible that there were some).

I guess the team B coach is arguing that there was no signal to allow for team B substitution? True but the U is obviously on the ball and stopping team A from snapping the ball, so it seems to me that the crew (or at least U) is allowing team B to respond.

[NVFOA_Ump]

I believe that the R has the hold for sub signal as soon as the video starts.  Also, should there have been a flag down for IS for the wideout who came down the sideline directly into formation without ever coming inside the numbers?

[Kalle]

I believe that the R has the hold for sub signal as soon as the video starts.  Also, should there have been a flag down for IS for the wideout who came down the sideline directly into formation without ever coming inside the numbers?

Good catch. IMO, definitely should have been a flag on that, as this is somewhat of a trick play (in other circumstances I would prefer not to have a flag on that as he is obviously seen by the defense and covered).

[TXMike]

I say no flag for the sub. Defense knew he was there and reacted

[TxBJ]

The subbing starts at about 0:01 on the video, and the U starts to leave the ball (ie. the ball is ready for play) at 0:07. I think six seconds is long enough for team B to at least start subbing if they want to respond (no incoming substitutes seen, it is of course possible that there were some).

I guess the team B coach is arguing that there was no signal to allow for team B substitution? True but the U is obviously on the ball and stopping team A from snapping the ball, so it seems to me that the crew (or at least U) is allowing team B to respond.

It doesn't matter when the subbing starts.  It matters when it ends (all replaced players are obvious and all incoming subs are obvious, including where they are in the formation).

[NVFOA_Ump]

I say no flag for the sub. Defense knew he was there and reacted

Except that it happened last minute and a defender who apparently had other assignment(s) went running toward the sideline last second.  The rule says that's a foul since the A player is required to come inside the numbers then back out which would have allowed B more time to react and get in position and/or resulted in the play clock running out.  IMHO he did gain a material advantage with the substitution process here.  I'm fine with letting it go if it's early in the play clock AND he's observed early on by B but again, IMHO that's not what happened here.

[TXMike]

The defender had 7 seconds of reaction. From the tine he saw the sub and started moving out until ball snapped -7 seconds.  Defender was in position and stationary for 4 seconds before ball snapped.  You are being way too technical

[NVFOA_Ump]

The defender had 7 seconds of reaction. From the tine he saw the sub and started moving out until ball snapped -7 seconds.  Defender was in position and stationary for 4 seconds before ball snapped.  You are being way too technical

We'll agree to disagree here.  We've always been told that in a hurry up situation we in fact need to call this since we can't fix it later.  It's a DB foul that should be enforced per our supervisor.

[TXMike]

We'll agree to disagree here.  We've always been told that in a hurry up situation we in fact need to call this since we can't fix it later.  It's a DB foul that should be enforced per our supervisor.

Wouldn’t be the first time a supervisor is wrong

[NVFOA_Ump]

Wouldn’t be the first time a supervisor is wrong

So let's analyze a bit here:

1.  We're at crunch time based on both the score and the game clock
2.  We've got a clear DEAD BALL substitution violation.
3.  A knows the substitution rules and B has an absolute right to match up substitute here
        - which is why 99% of coaches would not substitute on offense here
4.  B notices the late sub and a B player leaves his position and heads out to "cover" A
5.  But maybe the B player is not the right player to be covering the incoming A substitute?

So, simply because any B player saw the A player we're good???  Really???   

I'd be interested to see if the powers to be decide to include this one in this week's video clips.

[HoustonHL]

Looks like a FST on the L guard as the U moves out as well.

[ref6983]

The defender had 7 seconds of reaction. From the tine he saw the sub and started moving out until ball snapped -7 seconds.  Defender was in position and stationary for 4 seconds before ball snapped.  You are being way too technical

The Referee never looks at the Team B bench, so he doesn't know if B was reacting to try to substitute/match-up or not. We don't either since there is also no video of the Team B bench.