Uniform adornment

[mwa]

Is there an interpretation on hoodies?  I can’t locate the clarification.

[ElvisLives]

They have been addressed by Shaw in a training video. Legal, and, like hair hanging out from under a helmet, grabbing it is legal.

Just more ridiculous, useless ‘fashion.’ Somehow, it will become a problem, and the NCAA will make some rule that will require game officials to be responsible. But, that’s the cynic in me.

[mwa]

Thanks Elvis.  Do you recall which one?  I’ll go back and re-watch it.

We had a pre-game discussion on this yesterday after noticing several players with them.  We all agreed if grabbed, no foul for horse collar.

But what about DPI?  Defender’s hand become tangled up with hoodie, dpi?  What do we have?

I know it is is a stretch, but unintended consequence  of hoodies.

[AlUpstateNY]

They have been addressed by Shaw in a training video. Legal, and, like hair hanging out from under a helmet, grabbing it is legal.

Just more ridiculous, useless ‘fashion.’ Somehow, it will become a problem, and the NCAA will make some rule that will require game officials to be responsible. But, that’s the cynic in me.

You're not a cynic, and life at all levels of football would be better off if NCAA simply decided to knock off the BS.  It all started with those STUPID "arm bands" and progressed to all the nonsense with artistic eye shade.  "Stupid is, as stupid does" and declaring what actually is allowed, instead of trying to out guess the imagination of young men trying to look "cool" would make lifr easier & better for EVERYONE.  When/IF NCAA faces reality, then we can all work on persuading NFL.

[Derek Teigen]

I am a 4th year High School official and now I see myself watching college and pro game with a very different perspective.  Now in NCAA games I am noticing more and more of the players particularly the wide outs not putting in their mouth guards.  In High School we would try to talk to them to remind them but if repeated we will send them out for a play.  How do the officials feel about leaving  mouth guards out while the ball is live?

I agree on the face paint.  I don't like telling players to wipe out a cross for example.  But are there rules against this face paint in NCAA?  If so why are they not being enforced because high school kids see this and try and emulate the college players.  Other examples are not wearing knee pads and now I fear mouth guards.

thank you for allowing me to post in your section of the forum.

[dammitbobby]

Feel free to post away, I do. 

As for facepaint, not once have I ever heard it brought up.  If we don't care about kneepads - arguably a safety issue - then we especially don't care about facepaint.

As for mouthguards, at lower levels I'll  yell at them to put remind them to put it in, they always comply.  Sometimes I even tell them to put it in so their momma doesn't have to come down from the stands and pick up all their teeth off the ground.

ON Friday nights/Saturdays, they're on their own.  They know the rule, they choose to play stupid games with the chance to win stupid prizes.  I'm not there to babysit.

That said, oftentimes receivers will have two, one dangling off their facemask, and another one with no strap that they will sometimes tuck into one of the ventilation holes of their helmet.

[AlUpstateNY]

Feel free to post away, I do.  :ON Friday nights/Saturdays, they're on their own.  They know the rule, they choose to play stupid games with the chance to win stupid prizes.  I'm not there to babysit. That said, oftentimes receivers will have two, one dangling off their facemask, and another one with no strap that they will sometimes tuck into one of the ventilation holes of their helmet.

Just a word of caution, I'm sure you're familiar with the current rules about sideline safety.  They came about several years ago when a violent collision between a sideline official and a Coach caused serious enough injury to the Coach, causing his premature retirement.  Although the Coach publicly accepted responsibility for being in the wrong place, his disability insurance was rejected and wound up in a LENGTHY Law suit, to which the Official & the Official's Organization were involved.  Ultimately, both the Official & his Organization were deleted from the lawsuit AFTER several years of both maintaining legal representation in their defense..

(Eye shadow restrictions were designed to eliminate inappropriate messages that "may" induce hostility and subsequently encourage inappropriate reaction/ response that may induce/promote unnecessary/inappropriate/hostile retaliation.)

So when that parent (with/without Legal representation) comes screaming about an injury, to their CHILD, alleging malfeasance on the part of the covering Official, you might think about maintaining RULES that "your not there to babysit". Legal fees, to defend against frivolous law suits, are usually a lot higher than "Game Fees", and ignoring, or scoffing, at Rules designed to avoid trying to outguess the imagination of the American teenager, can produce unexpected and needlessly expensive consequences.

Remember NCAA Rules apply to and are designed for young ADULTS, NFL Rules apply to professional ADULTS.

[ilyazhito]

In the NFL, uniform issues are not the officials' responsibility. Instead, there is a league officer paid to be at every game and check for compliance with the uniform rules. Any non-compliant players are fined.

Perhaps the NCAA could take a page out of the NFL's book and fine players/schools who violate the uniform rules.

[AlUpstateNY]

In the NFL, uniform issues are not the officials' responsibility. Instead, there is a league officer paid to be at every game and check for compliance with the uniform rules. Any non-compliant players are fined.

Perhaps the NCAA could take a page out of the NFL's book and fine players/schools who violate the uniform rules.

NFHS covers this subject pretty well;

NFHS: 1-5-3 establishes "Illegal Equipment" stating, "No player shall participate while wearing illegal equipment.  This applies to any equipment                                                                                                               in the opinion of the Umpire is dangerous, confusing or inappropriate  (& and includes a long list of legal & illegal examples.)

NFHS: 1-5-4 "Prior to the statr of the game, the Head Coach shall be responsible  foe verifying to the Referee, and one other game official, that all of his/her players  are legally equipped n compliance with the rules and will use no illegal equipment. Any questions regarding legality of players equipment  or presence of required equipment  shall be resolved by the Umpire.

NFHS 1-5-5 Addresses equipment that  that is missing, worn improperly.

NFHS 9-8-1-H ( Noncontact USC Fouls) classifies "Following pregame verification as in (1-5-4) a coach allowing his/her players to use Illegal Equipment, is subject to USC consequences.

These rules place the responsibility for players participating with Illegal Equipment directly on the Head Coach, and seems to work effectively in eliminating such occurrences.