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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2026, 11:08:28 AM »
Snodgrass confirmed that there should not have been a 10-second subtraction. He also comments about a possible pull and shoot action, and a potential leaping action by BYU.
Sad. But 1) the rules are so darned complex today, and 2) the Command centers do not appear to be more expert than the on-field officials.
Kinda glad I’m not in that circus any more.

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Re: UCF/BYU RTK
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2026, 12:32:27 PM »
I still do not have an answer to unsportsmanlike foul, an official moved the ball from the 49 to the 34 then R ruled 4th quarter over with NO MENTION OF THE FOUL. Never seen anything like this with no explanation.

Because you're confusing plays.  The UNS was after the fumble recovery which was overturned to an incomplete pass with 15 seconds on the clock.  (We've really gone way to far on the philosophy of a receiver in the area; this should be grounding and the philosophies should be updated to make it grounding.)  Then they ran two plays (a spike and a throw out of bounds) and then they attempted to kick on third down when the clock stopped with 6 seconds left.

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Re: UCF/BYU RTK
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2026, 06:36:03 AM »
This is an actual rule that was added to a few years ago to specifically address replay overturns. I don’t think you can extrapolate it to cover other situations. I could certainly be wrong but that is how I would officiate it.

Based on Snodgrass' video, I think you're right. I still think it is something that could potentially cause confusion, and should be clarified in the rules.

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Re: UCF/BYU RTK
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2026, 02:03:30 PM »
The Big 12 has had a rough few weeks with instant replay  Now an advance of the football and touchdown was awarded after a fumble prior to the play being declared dead.  This was Arizona State vs BYU. 

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Re: UCF/BYU RTK
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2026, 06:37:03 PM »
Was discussing this with some other officials - I think they correctly identified the issue, in that they said (paraphrasing) that it's real easy to get into "groupthink" and just assume that what you're being told, or what someone says, is accurate and correct.

That's a difficult bubble to break out of. That said, I have seen an RO stop the game to discuss an on-field penalty enforcement with the R - he believed they were enforcing from the wrong spot, and when the R came over, he he realized that the hold occurred during the kick, therefore enforced from the end of the kick, not the end of the run. Was a brainfart moment, but it happens, but at least he was willing to say "this doesn't seem right" and he spoke up.

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Re: UCF/BYU RTK
« Reply #30 on: Yesterday at 01:32:41 PM »
Terry McAulay's take on it (pasting here, from multiple twitter posts:) https://x.com/tjmcaulay/status/2117335850165960859?a=FcpZgCtksMSQ9P4CUp4&s=20

Thoughts on Viewer Access to Replay Reviews

<Warning: It's very long>

From the beginning, I was skeptical of how this could be successfully implemented. In theory, it’s a great way to provide insights into Replay/Command Centers evaluations of often critical and game-impacting situations.

My skepticism was always its application in the real world. I think that skepticism has proven itself as we’ve seen in numerous games in multiple conferences.

Here’s what I think is happening:

Background:
Beyond correcting obvious and rather easy on-field errors, Replay reviews become very complex very quickly. That includes not just the rules but sometimes highly subjective judgments.

That complexity and the need for consistency forced the introduction of the collaborative model involving the Referee, the in-stadium Replay Official, and a Command Center. That concept demands open communications between all parties. It’s not unusual for one of the parties to go down a wrong path requiring another party to intervene and right the ship.

Prior to providing that communication to the world, this was a free exchange and allowed for input that helped lead to the correct answer.

Now, with everyone hearing the conversation, human nature tells us there is going to be trepidation whereby people now become either consciously or subconsciously concerned about what to say, how to say it, or whether to speak at all. Basically, “optics” has taken center stage rather than accurate outcomes.

Example, for the incorrectly applied 10-second runoff in BYU/UCF, I think it’s reasonable to consider that one of the participants may have thought it didn’t apply but wasn’t sure. Did he fail to speak up so as not to add confusion for world to hear? Very possible in my opinion.

Remember, reviews can often be incredibly pressure-filled and very complex. Adding anything that distracts reviewers from complete and total focus on the task at hand no doubt lowers the chances of correct outcomes.

That being said, let’s address what exactly we’re hearing or more importantly what we are not hearing.

To mitigate the complexities and subjectiveness, officiating leadership created “processes” to assist Replay Officials in making consistently accurate decisions. There is a process for evaluating targeting, catch/no catch (in all forms), QB pass/fumble, clock adjustments, etc. and when applying this process officials should be using language directly from the rule book.

What we are hearing during many reviews is the failure of Replay officials to use these processes. They seem to be resorting to what they think or how they feel about the play.

For example:

The targeting review process is this:

Is the player defenseless?
Did the opponent take aim for the purpose of attacking?
Is there an indicator?
Is there the required forcible contact?

The best recent examples I can point to are the two targeting plays from Boise State/Texas State and Texas Tech/Cincinnati.

In neither review did we hear them use the process and I can’t remember the last time I heard a targeting review use it. We also saw this manifest itself in recent controversial catch/no catch play situations.

In summary, while fans obviously appreciate listening in, it has certainly not created better outcomes and I believe I can make a strong case that accuracy of outcomes is worse.

I concede this is here to stay, so what do I think can be done to improve?

As for “optics over outcomes”, I don’t have an great answer, other than hoping that in time, Replay personnel will become comfortable working in an environment where everyone is listening to every word, syllable, tone, etc. so that their focus is entirely on the matter at hand.

Further, they absolutely must return to the proscribed Replay processes when evaluating complex play situations and they must also consistently use the exact verbiage in the rulebook.

By doing this, we should see more consistently accurate outcomes among all conferences. It would also minimize the possibility of the rules errors that we’ve seen recently. Moreover, fans will become accustomed to the proper terminology and everyone will better understand exactly how specific plays are being reviewed. In other words, we should hear the exact same thing in evaluations of similar plays whether it be the ACC, Big 12, or PAC-12.

Lastly, I’m not going to discuss the need for getting Conferences out of the officiating business here, as I’ve done that many times in the past, but it remains highest on my list for improving all officiating.

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Re: UCF/BYU RTK
« Reply #31 on: Yesterday at 01:33:44 PM »
I wish they would just get rid of the numbering exception rules.  Make your deep snapper wear a 50-79 jersey.  Make your punt team guys wear a pullover 50-79 if they need it.  It would make things a lot simpler.

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Re: UCF/BYU RTK
« Reply #32 on: Yesterday at 06:17:51 PM »
I wish they would just get rid of the numbering exception rules.  Make your deep snapper wear a 50-79 jersey.  Make your punt team guys wear a pullover 50-79 if they need it.  It would make things a lot simpler.


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