Blocking Out of Bounds

[JasonTX]

4th and 10, Team A punts from the A-20.  "Gunner" A22 runs out of bounds at the A-40 to avoid B20. B20 goes out of bounds at that same spot in pursuit of A22.  With both players still out of bounds, B20 shoves A22 to the ground at the 50.  The ball was kicked high and goes out of bounds on the A-45. Where is the penalty enforced from according to the new rule?  

[zebra99]

4th and 10, Team A punts from the A-20.  "Gunner" A22 runs out of bounds at the A-30 to avoid B20. B20 goes out of bounds at that same spot in pursuit of A22.  With both players still out of bounds, B20 shoves A22 to the ground at the 50.  Where is the penalty enforced from according to the new rule? 

I assume it's like a PSK if all the elements are present with the spot of the foul at where B20 crossed OB.  Seems odd because in your play he chased him 20 yards OB before committing the foul?

[El Macman]

4th and 10, Team A punts from the A-20.  "Gunner" A22 runs out of bounds at the A-30 to avoid B20. B20 goes out of bounds at that same spot in pursuit of A22.  With both players still out of bounds, B20 shoves A22 to the ground at the 50.  Where is the penalty enforced from according to the new rule? 

Well, insufficient information, but probably PSK (assuming foul was before possession was gained/re-gained, and B has possession at the end of the down). Don't know where the end of the kick is, but, quite likely, it is somewhere in B's territory, so 15 yards from the EOK. However, if the spot of the foul is somehow behind the EOK, then 15 yards from the spot of the foul.

If the foul is after possession by B, then routine Basic Spot enforcement for a running play is in effect (3-and-1 enforcement at the Basic Spot).

The spot of the foul is where the fouler crosses the sideline before committing the foul, by rule.

[JasonTX]

The spot of the foul is where the fouler crosses the sideline before committing the foul, by rule.

Been a long day, but I corrected the play.  What I was getting at was that where the players go out of bounds may end up being a different spot than where the block takes place.  Maybe a play similar to this happens during the return during a free kick.  Penalizing where the player goes out of bounds, but the block is 10 yards up the field seems extreme.  Not sure if that is the result they were wanting.  I'd much rather see it be penalized from the spot where the block occurs as long as both players are out of bounds and the block did not originate from inbounds.

[Hawkeye]

This implies a need for revised "Hat" mechanics for OB players.  It seems like the wings and deep sideline judges need to get a spot where a player goes OB instead of just throwing the hat.

However, that will not take care of the situation where a player goes OB legally (lead blocker on a sweep, or defensive back going around players on the ground, for example) and gets blocked OB, who is going to have the OB spot in those situations?

[Andrew McCarthy]

Seems like a dumb rule to me (I'll add it to the list).

If the block is the foul then the spot of the block should be the spot of the foul.

[El Macman]

Penalizing where the player goes out of bounds, but the block is 10 yards up the field seems extreme. 

My suspicion is that the rulesmakers don't see that scenario happening very often. Rather, they see the block happening in close proximity to where they crossed the sideline. But, certainly, a block remote from the point where they crossed the sideline is quite feasible.

As for knowing where he crossed the sideline - that may be a case for a bean bag. For a B player to be OB is not is not a foul, or even a potential foul, so there is no inherent reason to mark that spot. But, with this new rule, we may need to mark that spot. The real problem is that rule applies to both teams. So, just because we see a B player go OB, that spot may not be the relevant one. It may be the spot where an A player went OB.

I truly believe this is a rule that just won't be as big of a problem in reality as it appears on paper.

[Diablo]

As for knowing where he crossed the sideline - that may be a case for a bean bag. For a B player to be OB is not is not a foul, or even a potential foul, so there is no inherent reason to mark that spot. But, with this new rule, we may need to mark that spot. The real problem is that rule applies to both teams. So, just because we see a B player go OB, that spot may not be the relevant one. It may be the spot where an A player went OB.

Throw a white bean bag when a Team A player goes OB and a blue bag when a Team B player leaves the field of play.
Problem solved.   

[El Macman]

Throw a white bean bag when a Team A player goes OB and a blue bag when a Team B player leaves the field of play.
Problem solved.   

Give the man the cupie doll.

[TXMike]

I like the Sgt Schultz approach myself....."I see nothingggg!"

[Etref]

Our we could go on the honor system. Ask them where they went out and where the foul occurred.