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Offline TXMike

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Helmets Flying!
« on: October 26, 2011, 08:53:47 PM »
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-10-24/college-football-helmet-safety/50942736/1

And this does not even count the ones we are tracking in Texas HS football


Helmets popping off at alarming rate in college football
By Kelly Whiteside, USA TODAY
Plenty of attention has been focused this college football season on alternate uniforms (see Maryland, Georgia, Boise State and countless others). But what's really attracting notice, at least from referees, are helmets that are popping off with stunning regularity.

There's been anecdotal evidence about a growing number of helmets hitting the ground the previous two seasons. As a result, the NCAA Football Rules Committee discussed the issue in February and decided to count the number of occurrences. During games, the back judge is responsible for tallying the times when a player loses a helmet.

Through games of Oct. 15, 407 helmets had come off players at the Football Bowl Series level. At the Football Championship Series level there had been 406 and in Division II 339, according to Rogers Redding, secretary-rules editor. Through the first seven weeks of the season in Divisions I and II, there were 1,152 instances.

So what can be done? The rules are in place for this season and next, but the committee can take action if it's a safety issue, Redding said.

"My guess is that the committee would be unlikely to do anything midstream. But they may put something out making it a point of emphasis and, if the trend continues, put something in the next rule change year," Redding said. "It would be hard to guess what that would be, nothing really severe, something that costs, some kind of action that is pricey. But I could be wrong. The committee may say this is a serious problem, we need to fix this now. It's possible the committee could do that in February."

One possibility would be to require a player whose helmet comes off in the normal course of play to sit out the next down, much like a player must do if time is stopped for an injury. Or the player's team could be charged a timeout. "Before doing something, the rules committee wanted to get a sense of the size of the problem," Redding said. "One thing the rules committee had talked about was, if we put something in, let's put the onus on the player."

It appears players are keeping the four buckles on their chinstrap so loose the helmet can easily pop off. There's also speculation players are slightly deflating the air cushions because they don't want the helmets tight on their heads. "When players come to the sideline, all they do is a little flip and the helmet is off," Redding said. "A ball cap goes on much harder than a helmet."

A spot check of five major conferences found reports of no serious injuries. Brigham Young defensive back Mike Hague suffered a bloody nose when his helmet scraped his nose as it was pulled off two weeks ago.

This is the third season that rules cracking down on flagrant fouls, particularly helmet-to-helmet contact, have been in effect. The rule mandates a post-game video review by conference officials after a dangerous foul is committed.

"Probably overall there are fewer instances of targeting the head area," Redding said. "My sense of it is that there's less of that. I think people are paying attention to it. It's still a problem, no question; there still are injuries. But I think the rules committee had an impact on getting people's attention focus on not going after the head."

Next up for the committee: keeping helmets on those heads.

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Re: Helmets Flying!
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2011, 09:21:30 AM »
I recall reading about a project that uses a sideline computer to monitor specially equipped helmets for impact.  This was in response to request for more information about head injuries.

Could that project be modified to monitor:
helmet snaps snapped or loose?
air pressure inside helmet while being worn?

I've also noticed some newer helmets have the bottom snaps placed further back from the normal jaw placement to behind the ear hole.  I wonder if snap location has an effect on the ease of removal.

I also recall from my days coaching youth football, that younger boys have a larger crown of the head in relation to the jaw and face, which makes some boys harder to fit into helmets.  As the boy ages and matures the jaw and face widen and catch up to the crown of the head in diameter.

I have been amazed at the number of helmets coming off during play at the NCAA and NFL level.  I very rarely see helmets come off during high school games.

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Re: Helmets Flying!
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2011, 09:29:14 AM »
I can't speak for other Texas officials but I know our crew is doing the reporting on all helmet losses and that function was delegated to me.  After about 30 games (vars and subvarsity) this season, there have only been 2 games when I did not have to do a report

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Re: Helmets Flying!
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2011, 11:29:52 AM »
Our crew is doing it also.  I don't think we've had even one game without a lid popping off.

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Re: Helmets Flying!
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2011, 02:11:19 AM »
Sure seems to me that we have had an increasing number of helmets coming off around here in NorCal. We should probably be tracking this too.

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Re: Helmets Flying!
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2011, 07:18:01 AM »
At this point, you're wasting time and energy tracking helmet displacements. The NCAA is well aware that this is a huge problem. They don't need any more statistics or data. They will adress this with a rule change of some kind before next season, such as requiring the player to sit out a play, charge them with a T/O, or both. So, stop being distracted by this 'tracking' thing. Focus on real game play issues.

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Re: Helmets Flying!
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2011, 08:28:40 AM »
At this point, you're wasting time and energy tracking helmet displacements. (...) Focus on real game play issues.
Maybe my perception is skewed by  the snow outside, but this sure seemed a bit harsh. Isn't our primary job to preserve player safety?

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Re: Helmets Flying!
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2011, 09:29:29 AM »
Maybe my perception is skewed by  the snow outside, but this sure seemed a bit harsh. Isn't our primary job to preserve player safety?

How does 'tracking' preserve player safety?

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Re: Helmets Flying!
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2011, 11:17:48 AM »
How does 'tracking' preserve player safety?

As officials, we have a right - if not an obligation - to make suggestions as to rule changes/modifications for the betterment of the game. In many ways, who is better positioned to help with rule evolution?

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Re: Helmets Flying!
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2011, 11:20:49 AM »
The Macman's point is....the point has been made.  There WILL be a rule change.  The only things not clear are:
1 - What will the penalty be, and
2 - Will they wait a year until 2013 to bring in the change (I doubt it will wait)

So why continue tracking?  It is clear after 9 weeks there IS a problem and it is NOT going away.

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Re: Helmets Flying!
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2011, 04:34:00 AM »
I find it really interesting that the numbers are so high.
TXMike says that in 28 of 30 games this year he had at least 1 instance of a helmet coming off....
I had a short season this year, only 18-20 games (would need to check), but I believe I only had one and that was on a nasty facemask/spin around/rid the helmet off his head.

to note: in Germany most teams do not have well trained coaches, and basically none have a proper equipment manager. Everyone has to buy their own equipment, and no one really shows them how to adjust it correctly.
But still there seems to be a lot less problems. Wonder why.

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Re: Helmets Flying!
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2011, 12:23:19 AM »
I should have pointed that I officiate under NFHS rules and as far as I know this is not on NFHS radar yet. I sure it will be if NCAA makes a rule change. Wouldn't be nice if I could provide some real data to my association and state federation about this problem.

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Re: Helmets Flying!
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2011, 07:29:38 AM »
I should have pointed that I officiate under NFHS rules and as far as I know this is not on NFHS radar yet. I sure it will be if NCAA makes a rule change. Wouldn't be nice if I could provide some real data to my association and state federation about this problem.

It IS on the NFHS radar.  Data is being collected in certain areas.  Expect it to be discussed in Indy in January.

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Re: Helmets Flying!
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2011, 09:10:48 AM »
It IS on the NFHS radar.  Data is being collected in certain areas.  Expect it to be discussed in Indy in January.

Yup.  In Arizona at least there is an experimental rule requiring a player to go out for a play if his helmet comes off during play (with exceptions).

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Re: Helmets Flying!
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2011, 10:25:36 AM »
I think this would be an excellent rule change.  I havent' thought this all the way through but I see really only one exception.  Helmet coming off from a foul by the opponent. 

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Re: Helmets Flying!
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2011, 10:05:29 PM »
to note: in Germany most teams do not have well trained coaches, and basically none have a proper equipment manager. Everyone has to buy their own equipment, and no one really shows them how to adjust it correctly.
But still there seems to be a lot less problems. Wonder why.

good to hear that they're keeping these bad boys strapped on tight!  wouldnt want one of these flying off.   ;D


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Re: Helmets Flying!
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2011, 03:36:08 AM »
It IS on the NFHS radar.  Data is being collected in certain areas.  Expect it to be discussed in Indy in January.
Good to know AB.