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Offline BoBo

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Field goal missed where do we spot ball
« on: November 03, 2012, 04:43:11 PM »
4th and 9 from B's 14 yardline

Team A lines up for field goal. Kick is blocked and goes to B's 9 yardline where A recovers the ball. Whistle is blown and play is dead.

Where will the new series for B begin???

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Re: Field goal missed where do we spot ball
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2012, 04:46:52 PM »
At the 20, anywhere between the hashes that B wants.  A played the ball beyond the NZ, not B

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Re: Field goal missed where do we spot ball
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2012, 05:02:37 PM »
Not previous spot?

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Re: Field goal missed where do we spot ball
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2012, 07:12:56 PM »
Not previous spot?

Not if the previous spot is inside the 20.

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Re: Field goal missed where do we spot ball
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2012, 09:31:39 PM »
So missed field goal inside the 20 that does not reach the ez goes to 20 yard line

Missed fg outside the 20 goes to the previous spot


Correct??

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Re: Field goal missed where do we spot ball
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2012, 10:34:21 PM »
The end zone has nothing to do with it.  Untouched by B. Kick ends beyond the NZ.  Previous spot inside the 20.  We go to the 20.

EX:  A's ball 4/7 @ B19.  A's FG attempt is short in the EZ.   B's ball 1/10 @ B20.  Or A's FG attempt is dead @ the B3.  Same result.
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Re: Field goal missed where do we spot ball
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2012, 11:12:45 PM »
So the NCAA does not consider a FG attempt to be a scrimmage kick - which, if it crosses the ENZ, would belong to B where the ball becomes dead?

What is the reasoning behind such a ruling?

Please help a lowly HS ref understand this................

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Re: Field goal missed where do we spot ball
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2012, 12:16:08 AM »
To make the choice of kicking a field goal have a trade-off.  Every time a team crossed the 50, they'd try to kick a FG instead of punt. Best case, you get 3 points, worst case, play results in a touchback.

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Re: Field goal missed where do we spot ball
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2012, 06:25:13 AM »
To make the choice of kicking a field goal have a trade-off.  Every time a team crossed the 50, they'd try to kick a FG instead of punt. Best case, you get 3 points, worst case, play results in a touchback.

Worst case, B returns for TD.  That's why you punt -- for better coverage.

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Re: Field goal missed where do we spot ball
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2012, 06:46:16 AM »
So the NCAA does not consider a FG attempt to be a scrimmage kick ...

Absolutely incorrect. It is a scrimmage kick. However, an unsuccessful field goal attempt untouched by B is a special rule, and the ball is returned to the previous spot, if the previous spot is outside the B-20. Before this rule, Team A would attempt long field goal attempts knowing that the worst they would get out of it would be a touchback for B. That was as good as a punt in many cases. So, to make the game more competitive, they put in this rule. Now, Team A has to decide if the risk is worth the reward for those long field goal attempts.

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Re: Field goal missed where do we spot ball
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2012, 08:29:27 AM »
Worst case, B returns for TD.  That's why you punt -- for better coverage.

Well, that's still technically the worst worst case.

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Re: Field goal missed where do we spot ball
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2012, 09:54:01 AM »
Absolutely incorrect. It is a scrimmage kick. However, an unsuccessful field goal attempt untouched by B is a special rule, and the ball is returned to the previous spot, if the previous spot is outside the B-20.

This does make some sense...I didn't think about the return to the previous spot

Before this rule, Team A would attempt long field goal attempts knowing that the worst they would get out of it would be a touchback for B. That was as good as a punt in many cases.

What was wrong with that?

So, to make the game more competitive, they put in this rule. Now, Team A has to decide if the risk is worth the reward for those long field goal attempts.

I'm not sure it makes the game "more competitive"; but it does make a miss more punitive!